Talk:Life imprisonment
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i was under the imression that life in australia was generally around 25 years (at least in victoria) Xtra 21:57, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
In the us, cant the state leader (i dont remember what they're called, im not an american) grant a reprieve, as well as the president? SECProto 00:00, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
- They're called governors. The president can only grant repieves for federal crimes. Most crimes are state crimes. Usually state governors can, but in some states they need permission from a special council or the state supreme court. (Alphaboi867 22:52, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC))
[edit] Mystery Prisoner?
I have served more than thirty two years for a crime I didn't commit. I havent killed anyone yet. What most is interesting is that, out of all the millions of people who populate the entire world, NOT ONE cares enough to help me. NOT ONE. Says everything doesnt it?
who are you? ---
I'll try to shed some light. I ip tracked the adress of the person who wrote this statement to Mackay, Queensland, Australia. ip:203.220.194.90 city code:AUQLMACK There is no prison in Mackay according to List_of_Australian_prisons_and_detention_centres. If he is there for life, likely from Capricornia Correctional Centre. But, this is in Rockhampton and it is doubtful that the ip tracker would be that fart off although posible especially if the prison was located in the country. This post was written a while ago April 3 2005 and there has been no responce. If it's a joke, he's a little off on the date, if not, I applud the courage of those in jail who are innocent. Blue Leopard 10:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Lol! you said fart off XD Jeydo 19:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Interpretation in Europe
With regards to the "United Kingdom" interpretation, shouldn't that be, specifically, England and Wales? I was under the impression that the legal system in Scotland was quite separate and distinct from the rest of the UK, and so what is the case in England and Wales isn't necessarily so in Scotland. AnIco 03:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
You're absolutely right, I've changed it. Richard75 19:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Concurrent vs. Consecutive
In the United States, when multiple life sentences are handed down, they may be concurrent or consecutive. I am trying to learn what the difference is between these and I'm not finding much online. I have seen things like "Based on these changes, Mr. Peltier seeks to have his sentence reduced from two consecutive life sentences to two concurrent life sentences." So it is apparent that consecutive is seen as worse than concurrent, but why? Does concurrent offer the possibility of parole where consecutive does not? What other differences are there between them? -Etoile 14:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- Very generally, when a sentence, inclduing a life sentence, is consecutive with any other sentence (life or determinate) then the minimum time for consideration of parole is cumulated between the sentences. When sentences are concurrent, the minimum time for parole for the longest applicable sentence is used. For example, consider a state that allows parole after one-third of a determinate sentence, and after 14 years of a life sentence. If a person is sentenced to life for, say, murder, and 20 years for robbery, and the sentences are consecutive, then the offender will be considered for parole after 20 years 8 months. If the same sentences are concurrent, parole will be considered after 14 years. Under the same scheme, if a person receives two consecutive life sentences, he will be eligible for parole after 28 years; if concurrent, 14 years.
- As noted, in federal sentencing for offenses after Dec. 1, 1987, it is basically immaterial whether a life sentence is consecutive with any other sentence, since parole is unavailable. Ellsworth 01:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well that is good. Parole shouldn't be avaliable for all people with life sentences that commit multiple crimes. Concurrent doesn't make much sense.. if you do many crimes, you should do both the times. Jeydo 19:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Consecutive means the terms are served one after the other and concurrent means at the same time.
[edit] The Japanese Life Sentence
I just noticed that the Japanese paragraph for life sentencing is written in Engrish, can anyone change it to make it grammatically correct?
- It was vandlailized a few weeks back. I restored it to the original version with has more information and is grammatically superor. --69.156.204.183 02:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Length of life sentence
Someone inserted the following into the "United States" section a few minutes ago: "Some state use to have life senctences determained, one state 87 while another state 93. " Someone else deleted this as a "nonsensical" statement, but I think it just needs its grammar fixed and to be verified with references. Apparently what it means is that some states specified that a "life" sentence in prison meant 87 or 93 years. --Coppertwig 20:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] United States three-strikes law
I changed the wording of the United States section because it seemed to have an unbalanced WP:POV: in particular, it discussed how people were given life sentences for relatively small offenses, without mentioning that the defendants were repeat offenders – the only hint was "see three-strikes law for more information" at the end of the paragraph. It also stated that the Supreme Court's reason for allowing these decisions to stand is that they didn't involve "torture", which did not actually seem to be a major topic in the cases cited. --Closeapple 18:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A remark on Israel
The stated assertion that there is a life imprisonment without a right for parole for minors in Israel is incorrect. Unfortunately provided the cite does not work. However there is a Minors Law (Judgement, Punishment and Handling)(http://www.pigur.co.il/law/tipulnoar.htm in Hebrew), stating in Clause 25 the following:
b. If a person was a minor (he is less than 18 - Clause 1) at the crime commitment day, a capital punishment may not be inflicted on him; and despite all other Laws there is no obligative life imprisonment, obligative imprisonment, or minimal punishment.
The Criminal Law (http://www.pigur.co.il/law/onesh1.htm), Clause 49, explicitly says that any convicted prisoner that is not convicted with obligative life imprisonment, may be released after serving a halve of two thirds of a sentence, by parole board.
Therefore I remove the reference of Israel.
Roman Barsky. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.143.174.133 (talk) 10:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
The page mentions the following line:
The ETA member Jose Mari Sagarudi is currently the person who has spent most years in prison in entire Europe (he is in prison since 1980).
However in the section Ireland it is said that some peope have served in excess of 30 years - clearly only one of these can be true? Irresistance 20:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Contradiction about South Africa
"About a dozen countries worldwide allow for minors to be given lifetime sentences that have no provision for eventual release. Of these, only some — South Africa, Tanzania, and the United States — actually have minors serving such sentences, according to a 2005 joint study by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. Although South Africa does allow life imprisonment for children below 18 years of age, it is not without the possibility of release."
So does South Africa have life sentences for minors without possibility of release, or not? This paragraph is self-contradicting. 81.152.72.15 11:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Where is Africa?
I understand that there is no section for Africa, (there might not be a qualified enough editor to add this section), but why is South African Life imprisonment law under the juvenile section?
Should it not be under its own Continent/Country like all the others? FFMG (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mandatory Life Without Parole and Juvenile Mandatory Life Without Parole
It seems odd that we do not note that the US is one of only two or three countries that have Life Without Parole sentences for Juveniles, and that in many states these sentences are mandatory even when the child was not as principal actor in the crime. See The Rest of Their Lives. Simesa (talk) 01:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Standardized Format
Right now I notice that most of the descriptions are... essentially, just talking and using different descriptions. It makes it very hard to read, and this would be much simpler if it was placed in a more "skim-friendly" standard format. I think it's possible, and someone could do it. Maybe even I could. Thoughts? [[User:Patricoo|Patricoo}} —Preceding comment was added at 17:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
