Talk:Khalaj language
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[edit] Different versions of the language
On ethnologue.com, there are two distinguished Khalaj languages: Indo-Iranian Khalaj [1] and Turkic Khalaj (klj), though both seem to be used in Iran. Shouldn't this article be renamed something like Turkic Khalaj language? --Jūzeris | Talk 15:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Khalajestan (Xelecistan)
Khalajestan [2] is land of Khalaj people in Iran , a region that Khalaj language is still spoken. Khlajestan is most southern part of ethnic Azerbaijan in Iran and is divided between two Markazi [3] and Qom [4] provinces. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Mehranbahari
- Khalaj language is not a dialect of Azerbaijani language [5]. Indeed, it is not in the southwestern group of turkic languages. Also, there is no credible source for the word Khalajestan (it is just made up by a few weblogs). If you search it by google, you only find 36 results which all of them are related to those weblogs. Bidabadi 22:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Classification
Based on the work by Gerhard Doerfer, it appears that Khalaj deserves its own subgrouping within Turkic. Khalaj has not undergone the *d > y soundchange common to the Turkic languages in Central Asia and the Middle East, has preserved long vowels, and has also preserved an initial /h/ sound not found in any other Turkic languages. Some have suggested a connection between the Arghu Turks and the Khalaj, so I'm going to tenatively place Khalaj in a family called 'Arghu'. Straughn
[edit] Is Altaic disputed ?
If there exists a dispute, what is?. I shall wait for a while for any discussion, if no reliable information or source (scientific journals are the best place to find primary source articles) given there, i'll remove the Altaic "(disputed)" statement. Furthermore, if there exist such a dispute, this should be done in the "Altaic Languages" section. e104421
[edit] The map
Straughn, Doerfer gives some data about the number of speakers. How did you produce a map based on that data? Indeed, your map is very misleading. Just compare the area that you have coloured with the percentage of the speakers in those 3 provinces. Jahangard 18:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- The map is based on data in which he gives the locations of the towns where Khalaj is spoken. I don't pretend that everyone in the shaded area speaks Khalaj, but based on the information in his works and what's stated in the Ethnologue, the map appears to be correct. If you'd prefer that the map not be there, that's fine. I'll stop arguing. But as a linguist, I'm generally dismayed to see politics interfere so much with what is supposed to be an academic exercise. Straughn 16:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Your map is misleading. The problem is not that some people don't speak Khalaj in that area. The problem is that the majority of people in that area don't speak Khalaj. Jahangard 23:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
