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[edit] Socks

(Cross-posted on my talk page.) No worries JK, I believe you. Even before checking the IP later, I thought it didn't seem in character, so that's why I asked for evidence first (I've been busy so asked for someone else to check WHOIS). I don't suspect anyone of trying to set you up, just that they jumped the gun a little bit based on the editing tensions -- sometimes putting 2 and 2 together leads to an unwarranted conclusion of "4" when no addition was actually involved! Btw, I think we've both inadvertently gone past 3RR in our zeal from time to time. While we should obviously work to avoid edit wars entirely, in the case that we do and you (or any other editor who I know is not a total asshole/vandal) go past 3RR by accident, from now on I will at least tell you first and give you a chance to self-revert -- because I know if you do go past it's an oversight and not trying to game the system. As for the various articles, I haven't had time to look at all the changes the last few days and it's a lot to get back up to speed on. Given that the Legal Status article really needed a major re-vamp anyway, I suggested we go with L's version there to spark some needed creativity and re-thinking. I haven't forgotten about the need to get the other articles up to shape either, but work has been busy here, and for once I wanted to actually enjoy a holiday weekend and not deal with Wikipedia. Hope you had a good one too. Cheers, Arjuna 05:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Jere, I f***ed up by accusing you, and I really apologize. It was either an uncanny coincidence, or someone who doesn't usually edit was watching the back-and-forth in real time and decided to jump in right then. You may be a pain in the ass (my POV, ok?) but you're not a liar. And I shoulda asked you before I accused, because I do trust that you would give me an honest answer. So do you want me to remove the accusatory discussion or let it stand? Knowing you, I figure you will probably choose to leave it up but I did want to ask, because it's certainly your right to take it down if you want, and you should not have to do it yourself. Aloha,--Laualoha 15:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aloha & Peace!

‎ It was great to finally meet you, Jere! I have a lot of hope for the future -- I believe that we will be able to resolve things much more productively hereon. Even though I don't agree with you on many things, I admire your dedication and sincerity a lot. But don't forget, no bus me out to your gang, or else!! (just kidding, sort of). Nah, I pretty much know when a person's word is good or not, and as far as I'm concerned, yours is solid. Planny Aloha, --Laualoha 23:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

		The Aloha Barnstar
		I hereby award this Barnstar to my often-opponent Jere Krischel for Enduring Aloha and overall Good Faith shown through tough & sometimes brutal battles.--Laualoha 20:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to WikiProject LGBT studies!

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[edit] Republic of Hawai'i

OK, no problem. Let's just block out a time when we can do it all. Aloha, --Laualoha 06:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Jere, so when do you want to do that real-time discussion? I have changes I'd like to make to the Legal Status page, but as part of our "truce", I'm not touching it until we can do that. This weekend is completely booked w/band-related stuff for me, but I'll try to make some other time. Just give me some times that might be good for you, ok? Aloha, --Laualoha 22:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Next time

Hey JK, got your note and sorry I missed you but there was just no way -- work stuff was, well, not 24/7 but a good 12/7, which is enough to take away any time for electives. Next time you're in the islands, I hope. Any case, I'm back and trying to catch up on all the good chats and rumbles you guys have been having. Cheers, Arjuna 09:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Legal status of Hawaii

I know I'm gonna regret this, but I thought I should bring to your attention the "request for comment" debate happening on the Talk:Legal status of Hawaii page. I already know I'm not gonna like what you're gonna say, but since you were involved extensively I do not feel it is right if you're not aware of it. Take care, hope things are going good. Aloha,--Laualoha 00:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jere. I wrote to continue our conversation about "fringe" in WP policy. In short, I disagree with your approach, which assumes that "fringe" in law is based on a lack of success among legal decision-makers, and that legal journals are vulnerable to fringe ideas and hence distinct from courts/legislative decision sources. Hope to hear from you soon, you strike me as thoughtful and quite well informed. Take care, HG | Talk 06:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your detailed answer, I replied now too. Moved both to the Article Talk, hope you don't mind! Ciao. HG | Talk 16:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi JK. Ok, so we're in a bit of a spat (or spats) at the moment. I take no prisoners rhetorically, but seeing as how you give as good as you get, I think you already know there's nothing personal intended. No hard feelings, ya? Respek! But seriously, please reconsider your wholesale reversions of what are now the new consensus versions -- at least provide some reason and please stop accusing E (or me for that matter, though you haven't done so this time) of vandalism. That's a serious charge, and you know as well as I do that this is not about vandalism but a POV dispute. When you offer specific objections, I have taken them seriously and either accepted many of them or made good faith compromise efforts to address them. Second, we're all probably coming up close to some 3RR issues (I have tried to be careful and am 99.9% certain that I have not), but in any case I intend to honor my previous pledge to you that if you do go over I will let you know and give you a chance to self-revert before reporting. I hope you will accord me (and maybe others of similarly good faith) the same privilege. Cheers, mahalo, thanks. Arjuna 10:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

So given your lack of a reply, should I consider my offer of a gentleman's agreement on inadvertent 3RR violations (i.e. alert and give the other a chance to revert) not accepted? Arjuna 23:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kudos

Don't know you and have nothing to gain here, but I wanted to complement you and Arjuna808 both on the mature way you've handled your POV disagreements. Lots of passion there on both sides but much respect as well. Very refreshing!--Lepeu1999 13:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Vandalism"

JK, please stop accusing Eekadog -- or anyone else of vandalism unless it really is. Or maybe you aren't aware: "rv" means "revert" whereas "rvv" means "revert vandalism". Given that you are the one reverting the consensus version, if anyone can make the accusation (which we are not), it is Eekadog/myself. c/m/t, Arjuna 20:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR Warning

First, this is to warn you that you have violated 3RR on Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy and probably other articles as well. Given your lack of a reply, I suppose I should consider my offer of a gentleman's agreement on inadvertent 3RR violations (i.e. alert and give the other a chance to revert) not accepted? I will give you a couple of hours to self-revert and if not will then have to report. Cheers, Arjuna 23:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule . Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

nat^tang 00:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] details

Eekadog has consistently been removing cited material in fairly simply vandalism, yet has been claiming in his comments that he is doing "NPOV" edits - note the "unecessary [sic] cites of POV material" comment, where he attempts to justify the fairly straightforward removal of citations, without any further discussion on the talk page:

• 09:47, 2 October 2007 Eekadog (Talk | contribs) (24,167 bytes) (revert to last NPOV by Arjuna, remove unecessary cite of POV material) (undo)
• 12:38, 2 October 2007 Eekadog (Talk | contribs) (24,167 bytes) (remove vandalism) (undo)
• 15:37, 2 October 2007 Eekadog (Talk | contribs) (24,167 bytes) (remove unecessary cites of POV material.) (undo)
• 09:51, 3 October 2007 Eekadog (Talk | contribs) (24,167 bytes) (revert to last NPOV version by Arjuna.) (undo)
• 13:03, 3 October 2007 Eekadog (Talk | contribs) (24,167 bytes) (revert to last consensus NPOV version.) (undo)

Every one of these reverts has been to remove citations, and his last comment on the talk page was:

• 17:07, 27 September 2007 Eekadog (Talk | contribs) (58,771 bytes) (undo)

Arjuna has been more willing to talk than eekadog, but has not addressed issues on the talk page since:

• 22:44, 24 September 2007 Arjuna808 (Talk | contribs) (54,820 bytes) (Naniwa) (undo)

Regarding Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, 3RR was not violated -

• 21:55, 3 October 2007 (hist) (diff) Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy‎ (compromise version, including some edits from both sides)
• 20:20, 3 October 2007 (hist) (diff) m Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy‎ (rvv - please explain why good cites should be removed on talk page, eekadog)
• 13:15, 3 October 2007 (hist) (diff) m Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy‎ (fix typo)
• 13:11, 3 October 2007 (hist) (diff) m Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy‎ (rv, see talk)
• 07:01, 3 October 2007 (hist) (diff) m Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy‎ (Undid revision 161965636 by Eekadog (talk) rvv)

7:01 was the first version, 13:11 was the first revert

13:15 was a fix of a typo

20:20 was a revert to the fixed version (first revert)

21:55 was a compromise version

Please check the history logs - you'll see that Arjuna's assertion that I did 4 reverts is not accurate.

Mahalo for your consideration, and any help in mediating this dispute would be appreciated. --JereKrischel 02:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I am writing to dispute JK's assertion that either Eekadog or my changes or reverts to the pages in question were vandalism. Indeed they were not; the accusation could more credibly be made the other way, but I do not wish to make such a formal accusation. I regret to say that JK's recent edits have continued his longstanding pattern of selectively quoting sources so as to present an overall misleading and highly tendentious representation of the mainstream scholarship regarding the historical events described in the articles. His assertions were indeed cited, but these were cherry-picked statements taken out of context and thus misrepresenting the intended or comprehensive conclusions of the authors. In a small number of instances he accurately quoted authors (eg. Twigg-Smith), but these authors represent at best "significant minority" POVs of the historical events in question, and are thus undue weight. In short, JK repeatedly exhibits an inappropriate sense of "ownership" over the articles, and has been engaged in blatant POV pushing despite repeated and (mostly) polite requests to desist. In his repeated (and spurious) accusations of vandalism, he is referring to his reversions of the mainstream consensus version, and insists on repeated re-introduction of inappropriate or misleading material. These accusations are most unfortunate, unfair, and distressing. I reported his 3RR violation only after giving him ample time to self-revert (posting messages on his talk page, other pages I know he monitors, and even sending him an email). In fact, I may not even have reported him at all were it not for his defiant and rude attitude after being warned about having already violated 3RR. In short, the reverts from Eekadog and myself were to correct JK's tendentious POV pushing edits. I regret to say that I fear JK has been trying to "game" the system by repeated stonewalling, nit-picking, and cherry-picking in order to push what can (very charitably) be described as a contentious POV. In so doing he has frequently exhausted, intimidated, and otherwise scared away a whole series of good editors over at least the last year and a half. The records on the various talk pages will bear out this assertion, and there are many other editors who are likely to support this contention. I respect JK as a tenacious and (at times) productive editor, but unfortunately his passionate and yet divisive ideology too-often gets in the way of good sense and basic fairness. I am happy to answer any questions from the Admins, and thanks for your consideration of my perspective. Arjuna 04:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course I respectfully disagree with Arjuna's take on the situation, but some of his accusations illustrate the pattern of interference at play here - where he accuses me of selectively quoting, instead of either working to provide more context or rebutting the validity of any of the citations, he instead has engaged in character attacks on authors whose POV does not match his (without doing more than "skimming" their work, even though available online for free [2] - see Talk:Sanford_B._Dole#POV_pushing where Arjuna808 states, "Yes, I have read the things you mention, or rather skimmed them -- one doesn't need to eat a whole apple to know it's bad."), and encouraged Eekadog in vandalizing the articles by removing citations, or any reliable sources that may contradict his particular POV. I have repeatedly asked for more detail about objections to edits and sources, so as to work towards compromise, but the replies have been similar to "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it", a singularly nonconstructive response. For example, from his citation that somehow I've been "defiant" or "rude", Arjuna808 flatly states, "Anyhow, I think one way to deal with this seemingly ingrained tendency is to knock out the foundations he relies on for (spurious) claims to authority. TTS is clearly a divisive, fringe figure and should not be accorded anything approaching the same level of legitimacy as a mainstream commentator or scholar of whatever stripe" This comes across like a battle plan to discredit someone by demonizing and attacking a respected publisher and author. On the same citation, Eekadog states, "I think I'd rather bang my head against a wall", when asked to comment on our disagreements (prompted by Arjuna808 himself). His own reference shows less of my attitude and more of Eekadog's, but I leave that to the reader to decide. If there is something on Arjuna's citation that does come across as rude, I sincerely apologize - it would be helpful if someone would give me the exact quote so I can understand better what was offensive.

Regarding any opportunity to self-revert, Arjuna had already reverted History of Hawaii, and I had written on his talk page regarding my dispute of his count of reverts on Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy. Whatever email he allegedly sent did not reach my inbox, but it could be stuck in SMTP land somewhere, so I take it at face value that he did send it.

It would be of great help for some third party to help mediate our current disputes - I believe much of our difficulty lies in personality conflict, and an outside perspective may help calm the waters and more clearly guide us in constructive efforts.

As a basic rule, I believe we should be working towards adding cited material in a neutral manner, with appropriate references and no weasel-word editorializing; we should also accept that there are reliable sources on both sides of the issue, and avoid character attacks on materials that may contradict our own points of view - arguing that a real publishing house is somehow a "vanity press" because it published a well-reasoned and thoroughly cited book written by the CEO of a parent corporation is simply untenable; and last, but not least, we should be diligent about explaining, justifying and detailing our specific objections to edits, rather than simply using superlatives and rhetorical adjectives in describing our displeasure. Under those terms, I think things would move forward much smoother, but I'm afraid that that kind of suggestion from me would not be heard by either Eekadog or Arjuna808.

I believe both Eekadog and Arjuna808 can be constructive editors, but I'm afraid that the current methods of engagement, and an apparent lack of WP:AGF has made things particularly difficult. I am reasonably sure that both Eekadog and Arjuna808 see my attention to detail in both references, statements and editorial comments as some sort of "gaming" of the system, and I can understand how that can cause them to behave the way they have been - but I'm not sure how to help change that perception. I ask for comments, references and details because I believe that the only way we can get to WP:NPOV is to leave our POV at the door, and rely on the available historical record and resources to speak for themselves. When the historical record does not coincide with our own POV, or when reliable secondary sources do not coincide with our own POV, we are obligated to respond by adding to the detail and context, not by suppressing information we find unfavorable. Any comments or suggestions on how to proceed together are greatly appreciated. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 05:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

And I take strong exception to JK's characterization of the nature of the disputes, which seems to turn reality on its head. I see this not so much as a personality conflict (call this odd, but I somehow get the sense that he is a genuinely likeable human being in real life) but rather a conflict between mainstream views and an incorrigible ideologue who refuses or is incapable of acknowledging his own POV pushing. This may sound harsh but I can back up this assertion quite readily. Brevity and civility being desireable, I will not do so here but am happy to clarify any of this as appropriate. And to JK: honestly, I do maintain respect for you in many ways and harbor no hard feelings whatsoever towards you personally. Aloha, Arjuna 09:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess when I use the word "personality conflict", I probably mean "communication styles" - Arjuna is right, over a beer, we'd probably all get along as buddies - but when it comes to editing, or handling differences over these articles, my communication style is to get more detailed, insist on more references and more citations, as well as more detailed explanations about what is problematic in their eyes. (I learned this from a stint on Race and intelligence) Eekadog's communication style is typically limited to edit comments and what I'll call pithy statements of little clarifying value. Arjuna is more verbose than Eekadog, but he tends to focus on two or three adjectives he likes, and makes statements about his perceptions rather than the cause of those perceptions. Needless to say what he considers "mainstream" I consider fringe - it may be that we're conflating contexts (activist academic versus academic versus common perception in Hawaii versus common perception across the U.S.).

Anyway, thank you Sandstein for considering my appeal, it is appreciated. I will take your advice to heart, and hopefully that will help both Eekadog, Arjuna, myself and others find a way to be more constructive, and gain higher "editorial quality" as we move forward. Mahalo! --JereKrischel 13:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Legal Status Page

Hi Jere! Wanna take a break from all this tangled mess going on & work with me on the legal status page for a while? I'm kinda brain-dead tonight (bad "hearing" last night with the military...) & I gotta run & show face for a little while at another meeting (it never ends...) but we gotta get to it eventually, so I'll definitely make some time. Just let me know! Aloha, --Laualoha 04:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, let's do that this weekend. I gotta help my wife get the car back from the shop, but other than that I don't have anything planned. Gimme a call anytime, and if I'm not there leave a message and I'll call you back as soon as I get it. --JereKrischel 04:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Biography

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[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

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[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time — get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!! [edit] Alice and her harasser Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes <bright smiles all around>. [edit] Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days. [edit] "My Fellow Americans" On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project. [edit] Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand? [edit] Beat writer arouses Irish guy And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all. [edit] Love those Texas Longhorns Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? 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And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!! [edit] And the Oscar goes to... Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle. [edit] Fresh faces to brighten our pages Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy. [edit] Leather and lace On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome! [edit] Late breaking news A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!). [edit] Champagne dreams and caviar kisses Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon. Kisses, Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know.

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[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus, right down Santa Claus lane! Ho, ho ho (but not that kind of ho!) and Merry Christmas, everybody! Yes, that's right. It's time for the Christmas edition of the LGBT Love Boat newsletter. This homo Love Boat is cruising into Christmas and counting down the days to a brand new year! It doesn't matter if you're Christian or belong to some other, more obscure sect. Jesus loves you one and all, so let's curl up around the fire, sing some carols, drink some egg nog, and have a gay old time. But before we do, perhaps your chipper cruise director Miss Julie should spread the gender bendin' news from everyone's favorite project.... Table of Contents Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! It's Britney, Bitch! Game show for nerds Jón Þór Birgisson Everybody loves a sequel Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Santa needs elves Urgent Christmas appeal Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Ambrosia Christmas came early You! Quelle Suprise! King James is a Queen! Our dear Haiduc, never a stranger to controversy, recently decided to delve into the wardrobe of the British Monarchy, and what did he discover? King James had more than appreciative eyes for strapping young men! Naturally, Haiduc felt the need to share this news with the community, but instead of being praised for his scholarship, he was reviled. In fact, one rabid heterocentrist even rummaged around in his own wardrobe until he found an old pair of socks to play with. All seemed lost until astute editor Jeffpw noticed some odd postings and did some sleuthing of his own. The socks were uncovered, the Wicked Witch was melted and readers the world over were able to learn that Good King James regularly ordered tube steak from the menu of the day. Thank you, Haiduc! Thank you, Jeff! And let Miss Julie add (for readers who might not know) that tube steak tastes just like chicken! It's Britney, Bitch! Well, maybe it's not Miss Thang, herself, but it's the next best thing: Chris Crocker! he stirs up just about as much controversy as his idol does, even here on Wikipedia. Though it's all a bit of a muddle, one of our editors hopes you can drop by the talk page and leave a message of hope for those battling the forces of obstructionism in that little corner of the Wiki World. It is so hard to spread enlightenment. As Miss Parker herself said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think". Game show for nerds Wallowing in cash from the latest beg-a-thon, the powers-that-be have decided to sponser a little contest here to improve the articles, with a Grand prize of $100. Yeah. Just enough for a Burger King dinner for the family. Still, the thought is nice and the goal is noble, so we should support it. Our little Queer beehive has taken a look at what's on offer, and both the Greek Traditionalists and Daughters of Bilitis are well represented. The ever useful SatyrTN has made a little list, which can be found here (if that malignant bot hasn't archived it already, that is). So find a pal, roll up your sleeves and dive right in. Let's show this Encyclopedia just what Queers with firecrackers up their....err, I mean, let's show the others what we can do. Jón Þór Birgisson I can't pronounce his name, but he's awfully cute, he's deliciously foreign, and best of all...he's GAY! But he won't be for long, if certain users have their way. A concerted effort has been under way for a while now, designed to neuter poor Jon (pretend I put a little accent thingy over that O) and make him into a sort of rockin' Ken doll. So please watchlist this hunka man, and keep him queer! If anybody questions you, tell them "Miss Julie sent me". TranSanta Everybody loves a sequel Readers not afflicted with Alzheimer's will remember that last month we had a little story about Alice and her harasser. That proved so popular that we bring you the sequel: Benjiboi and his stalker. After a chance meeting at the Michael Lucas article, this anonymous user took a shine to our Benjiboi, and has been showering him with attention on virtually every board on Wikipedia. Flattered though he is, Benjiboi finds the attention a bit distracting, and administrators have been seeking various remedies for this. It has proven difficult, as the stalker has an IP address that changes quicker than Superman in a telephone booth. So perhaps some of you would like to watchlist Benjiboi's page, and lend a hand if you see some love letters from an 11 digit friend. I was actually thinking we should get Alice's harasser and Benjiboi's stalker together. Then we could have another sequel, sort of like Freddy vs. Jason. Any bets as to who would win?? Not quite the second coming, but special just the same Let me be the first to give a warm, wet, Love Boat kiss (though not with tongue) to our newest Project members: Jacksinterweb, Cleduc, Pigman, Becksguy and Iamandrewrice. Even in the month of our Saviour's birth, your popping into our Wikipedian lives is a blessed event indeed. As Jesus Himself said, "Live long and prosper". He did say that, didn't he? I think he said it. In any event, if he was standing next to me now, I'm sure he'd say it, and add, "Happy homo editing!" Battle of the Wikipedia Stars! Indomitable Ann Bannon is holding her own in Wikipedia's answer to American Idol: The Featured Article candidate list! For four feverish weeks, she has mastered the challenges and not been eliminated from the competition. Drop by the FAC page and show Ann you love her....or give her the hook (I'm not supposed to tell you how to vote). Giving our plucky Ann reason to hope is the recent promotion of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sa-Sc. If Miss Julie has her way, we will have the entire alphabet of Queerdom Featured here on Wikipedia soon! And I would be remiss if I did not give a warm, Lesbian salute to our own Belovedfreak, who showed Wikipedia with But I'm a Cheerleader that even pom poms are no protection from the Love that dare not speak its name, and got a gold star for her efforts. Climbing the Wikipedia career ladder is User: Tim1965, who has not only written, but is now promoting Reel Affirmations to Good article status. Best of luck, Tim, and remember: there are no small parts, only small actors. We're sure you'll be trading that green circle for a gold star soon (assuming you get the green in the first place!). Santa's on his gay way! Santa needs elves Yes, I know: packages need buying, trees need trimming, egg nog needs drinking. The holidays make many demands on our time. It's ...well, it's a bitch, is what it is. So I wouldn't blame you for skipping this little section and putting off my request until next year. But...think of the children. Our future. They need quality information about the homosexual "lifestyle" if we are to indoctrinate them properly. That's why I am asking you to drop by our Peer review area and give your meaning as to the efforts of your fellow gay Wikipedians. And think: in this season of kindness and good will to all, isn't it nice that I am pointing you to someplace where you can (in a Wikiloving way, of course) rip someone a new asshole? Think about it...and those children with their shiny, bright eyes, thanking you for contributing to their future. Even more festively, consider joining in on the deletion discussions of our favorite articles. Here you can bandy about such words as "homophobia", "Right-wing Christian agenda" and my personal favorite, "just who do you think you're pushing around?!?!?". If you play your cards right, there might even be an extra present under the tree for you. :-D Urgent Christmas appeal Tovojolo asked me to ask you to edit Elizabeth Bishop as part of the Collaboration Project. She's an old dead poet (Miss Bishop, not Tovojolo. I've never actually met Tovojolo. She's probably very young and attractive. Maybe somebody should ask if she's single), but she was a flaming homosexual long before most of us had even been conceived, so we owe her some respect. Tovojolo actually asked me for the last newsletter, but Miss Julie forgot. Bad Miss Julie. She was so busy boosting morale it just slipped right by her. Nemissimo, maybe you need to crack that whip again to get Julie back in line. Surrender, Dorothy!!!!!!! Friend of Dorothy has attracted the attention of a group of....the more senior elements of our gay society. They disagree with our thesis that Saint Judy was the possible source of the term, and demand we change the article to reflect their contention that Dorothy Parker was the origin. The problem is, their source didn't check out. So we agreed to disagree. Well, we at the project did. They got kinda mad at us, said unkind things, and started edit warring. Though they are old, they are certainly quick, and could revert the article faster than my nimble fingers could press the undo button. To quote the divine Miss Parker, every time I saw the article on my watchlist, I thought to myself, "What fresh hell is this?". The page was protected by sympathetic administrators, but keeping an eye on it will keep Dorothy safe from future Wicked Witches of the West or East. Ambrosia Our dear Benjiboi has been busy indeed, lately. He recently made fruit salad out of Fruit, turning a once nasty word into a damn good article, and saving it from deletion! Congratulations, Benjiboi! I hear he has turned his attention from fruit to poultry now. Before he is through, he will have turned every major food group gay on Wikipedia! Christmas came early Yes, indeed! Valued administrator WJBscribe was raised out of the mire of mid-level management and placed squarely into the Pantheon of Bureaucracy! And Miss Julie is just too proud of him not to mention that he got the most support votes in the history of Wikipedia! Congratulations, WJB! We know you will not prove the Peter Principle correct! You! Yes, you! It's you who make this project shine! It's you who make Wikipedia such a valuable resource for all humanity! And it's you who make Miss Julie's dull life just a little bit better. So I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you for all you do here. Merry Christmas, everybody! Happy Hanukkah! Festive Kwanzaa! Delirious Dong Zhi! Delicious Diwali! And for our oppressed Iranian brothers and sisters, I wish you a safe and joyous Yalda. And if I didn't mention your favorite December holiday, well, it's because I feel it's so special I should just keep it between you and me. Always remember: You light up my life! May we all have a joyous holiday season, and a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous 2008. With love from Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Nalayne Mahealani Asing

A tag has been placed on Nalayne Mahealani Asing requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. --TheSeer (TalkˑContribs) 11:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XII - December 1, 2007 Ms Julie is .. unavailable .. this month, so Isaac and Gopher have stepped in to put this newsletter thing together. We may not be as funny as you're used to, but if you'd like a free drink, come see me at the bar. That might help. Maybe. And no, there aren't any flashing lights or fancy pictures this month - I'm still recovering from a whopping hangover. Julie's recovering too, but that's a story I'll let her tell. Two New Featured Articles (and...) Emma Goldman was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 27. If you don't know Ms. Goldman, she was a Lithuanian anarchist. Aren't many of those around, really, so having one of our very own is special. She'll be dancing the Cha-Cha on the Promenade deck later tonight. Ann Bannon was promoted to Featured status on 2007 December 3. Faithful readers may remember Moni moaning that we didn't mention this promotion in the last newsletter. Happy now? Ludwig Wittgenstein seems to have been dropped from the vaunted roles - he was downgraded to "B class" on 29 December 2007. What a way to end the year! Let's see - we started December with 35 FAs. We added two and dropped one. So somewhere there's a missing FA - has anyone seen one lying around? Jumpaclass Contest winner The winner of 2007's Jumpaclass competition is Fluffball70 (talk · contribs)! Congratulations, Fluffball! Despite strongly being urged to select Love Boat as the next WikiProject Collaboration, she has chosen LGBT Symbols as her prize: please contribute to its improvement - or enter the competition for this year! Ze Portal The marathon efforts of Dev920 against her astonishing abilities of procrastination continued this month, and she managed to update the Portal's main articles. Whether she will finally beat her procrastination pixies in submission and update the biographies remains to be seen, but Jeffpw has leapt to the rescue and taken it upon himself to do all our lovely news. Friends, lend us your goodwill and your eyeballs, and mosey on over to see all Jeff's hard work. Also, back in October 2007, Allstarecho and Benjiboi worked diligently on the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" and "WP:LGBT Random Picture" sections of the portal. They added many new quotes and pictures but, and yes here's the cat's meow friends... you can now use these on your own user pages! To add the "WP:LGBT Random Quote" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} And to add the "WP:LGBT Random Picture" to your own userpage, use: {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} If you'd like to see it in action, check out Allstarecho's userpage for both in action and Benjiboi's talk page for the Quotes in action! The long, slow race toward FP status continues... Bisexual Awareness Month Folks in Utah are celebrating Bisexual Awareness Month. For our own wikicelebration, Alison suggests we try to bring Bisexuality at least up to good article status. Working on the Utah article would be encouraged, but do it stealthily - they don't like us to be *too* open. A cunning plan In a move sure to bring her fame and fortune at last, Dev920 (talk · contribs) has proposed that an FA buddying system be set up, to help nudge frightened tikes who also happen to write killer ass articles over that initial first FAC hurdle. Anyone interested in shepherding duties, or anyone interested in being made to lie beside still waters (handcuffs are optional), do drop Dev an RSVP so she can start battering those darned pixies... New members Let's give a big Love Boat welcome to all our new members: Mike1981, RAShippy, CoppBob, Altairisfar, Dureo, LessThanClippers William P. Coleman, Grrrlriot, Queer Scout, Kentucky1333, Melty girl, Phenominus, Avazina, Dfeuer, and Lycanthropiclion. We're glad to have you all aboard! New task-force? Zigzig20s has mentioned a desire to work on .. desire. Specifically literature by and about LGBT desire. To facilitate "LGBT Literature" taskforce, there will be shuffleboard and lesbian fiction on the foredeck later in the afternoon. Signup if you're interested. To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Your Cruise Director know.

Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CATI

Hi there, if you are interested in supporting the Coalition Against Tagalog Imperialism please add {{User:Arikasikis/Userbox/CATI}} . The logo would look like

This user supports the Coalition against Tagalog Imperialism.

Arikasikis (talk) 03:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notice of Inactivity

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[edit] Your message

Thanks for clearing that up for us. Enjoy your break. —Viriditas | Talk 04:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

JK, thanks for your message on my talk page. Oy what a mess. I sincerely, deeply, and humbly apologize for assuming that Yosemitesam was you (a notion that the other party, when asked directly, did not bother to dispel, btw). Frankly, I am rather relieved that our working theory was wrong. That you were able to give the kind and generous words that you did says much about your character. I will send you an email later, but for now enjoy your wikibreak. Cheers/mahalo/thanks, Arjuna (talk) 05:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Akaka Bill

Hi JK. Saw your recent edit on the Akaka Bill article, and I don't have a problem with it whatsoever in terms of substance -- it seems pretty non-controversial. Two things, though. 1. The sentence currently states that "it does not provide for non-native Hawaiian people of the Kingdom any opportunity to participate in the new governing entity", but since the Kingdom no longer exists, this statement is confusing. Shouldn't it be "decendents of non-native people of the Kingdom", or even "any non-Hawaiian as defined by the law"? I'm going to make a change to the latter, but since you're more up on the language of the bill than I, if this is incorrect then please re-edit. And 2. thanks for providing the citation, and I don't intend to challenge it, but just note that unless I'm missing something (entirely possible), the statement in the article isn't directly supported by the citation; it kind of does indirectly but doesn't say the same thing explicitly. Also, op-eds (regardless of which "side" is represented) generally aren't as strong as straight reportage, so we should be careful on this in future. Finally, I've been really busy but still intend to send you a note soon. c/m/t, Arjuna (talk) 20:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Race and Intelligence

Yes, we need you back. Could you review the recent talk - I would suggest you read from here if you have the time; this is an RFC which I think is the starting point for all current discussion. On March 23 I made a major proposal for overhauling the article and reorganizing it, but that discussion is now mired down. It would mean a lot if you could read through this discussion and make whatever interventions you feel necessary. I think many people want to make positive changes now and the RFC makes clear the urgency, but we need more voices and you really know the history. Best, Slrubenstein | Talk 11:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope you will follow the discussion below the RfC, and participate when you consider it appropriate/constructive. Slrubenstein | Talk 14:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Jagz

I just reverted this edit, but FYI: [3] Slrubenstein | Talk 20:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue I - April 2008

Aloha. The April 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 15:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II - May 2008

Aloha. The May 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 17:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reexamination of old disputes

Hi JK,

At the suggestion of Viriditas, I've reexamined some old issues that you were involved with and posted my thoughts at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii#Reexamination of old disputes, so any feedback you can provide would be much appreciated. Mahalo! --jonny-mt 15:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - June 2008

Aloha. The June 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 04:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)