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Contents 1 More missing credits for his musical career 2 Missing credits for his musical career 3 Ethnicity 4 This belongs somewhere else 5 Biography 6 This article is really bad! 7 This belongs somewhere else 8 Ice-T's Background 9 Note section 10 Law and Order 11 Image redux 12 Politics? 13 Cop Killer 14 Da Best? 15 Rapcore? 16 Rap School 17 Date of Birth 18 Spelling 19 Killer the first politic hiphoptrack 20 Vandalism 21 wow, this article needs help. 22 Added another movie he was in

[edit] More missing credits for his musical career

And, he was also featured on the album by Marc Live "Validation" (2004). DigitizerSF 06:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing credits for his musical career

...wow. Nobody mentioned the classic "Rhyme Syndicate Comin' Thru" compilation! Or his production work/ appearances on the underrated Donald D LP, "Notorious".

[edit] Ethnicity

Can someone add his Ethnicity wheter being all african american. or caucasian and african american. or of southamerican (and or Afrocaribian) and african american decent or any other.

The vast majority of people who self identify as African American, have varying amounts of European ancestry. However, unless the white ancestor(s) were very recent, (parent or grandparent), nearly all will simply self identify as being black. This is usually attributed to acceptance of the rule of hypodescent, also known as the one-drop rule, which assigns people of mixed ancestry to the "subordinate" group. Thus, in the US, people with known African ancestry, or who exhibit certain physical traits associated with with west Africans, are nearly always considered black. 70.17.168.106 02:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This belongs somewhere else

Anyone else notice the irony of a guy who used to call himself "Cop Killer" portraying an NYPD detective? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.165.87.40 (talk • contribs) 00:33, March 13, 2006 (UTC)

Jhamez84 Ice-T noticed the irony for one, (following taken from the main article page).... He answered the controversy by saying the song was written in character, and that "if you believe that I'm a cop killer, you believe David Bowie is an astronaut." Indeed, Ice-T has portrayed police officers many times in his acting career.

Hope that answers your question.

[edit] Biography

I'm listening to an Ice-T interview from 1994 on npr's "Fresh Air" right now, and he's bringing up all sorts of interesting stuff... it would be great to have some of it incorporated into this article.

a couple of tidbits:

-he was in the army at one point -his parents both died when he was very young ZacharyS 02:20, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

there is also no mention of Ice-T's nation wide tour to college campuses as an inspirational speaker. He also wrote a book called "The Ice Opinion" released in the 1990s.

There should probably be more information on the Cop Killer controversy--after all, it's what he's famous for. Rob 17:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

i think the Ice T name paying homage to Iceberg Slim could be worked in here as well... --timeheater 07:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, maybe add his film and TV credits... there's a very interesting documentary on pimping that features Ice T called 'Pimps Up, Hos Down'... a must see for fans. What about Ice T's past profession of pimping and his continued association over the years with the pimp lifetyle?

 Has Ice-T ever fallen for one of his HO's? 
Wasn't there one that got away?  Anyway, happy 

birthday from Tricky Niccki, the one that got away. There's a story behind it so if you get a chance ask him. Ask him who came up with the idea for Body Count and the conversation on police brutality on the streets of Hollywood

and the teens who had to live with it in the 

early '90's. Ask him what importance the Whisky-a-go-go had to do with the invention of Body Count and if he actually did his research on the Thrasher band that played there prior to the conversation on the podium with a girl he thought was a Ho but truely wasn't and why it

was so important to bring rap music further 

into the mainstream of what the middle class kids were listening to at that particular time.

Hey all this makes no sense, I know that persons are trying to dis ICE, but seriosly if you want to do it proper, site sources etc. Heard Ice/Bodycount on roskilde 1995, loved him before and still love him, although the pimping shit is boring as hell, that however doens't mean haters should fuck up this site. 80.167.85.23 00:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is really bad!

What the hell happened?? M.C. Brown Shoes 08:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Three weeks ago, there was a major edit by an anonymous user which changed a lot, possibly for the worse, but I can't be sure. Maybe this was overlooked by the regular contributors to this article and should be rolled back. AxelBoldt 00:35, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Looks Like it. --Samuel J.Howard

• Ice definitely deserves better than this. The article is very sloppily-written and not very well-sourced (as a general rule, web sources aren't reliable. I would suggest working from printed sources, like newspaper articles and books). (Ibaranoff24 22:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC))

Perhaps exposing his homosexuality would help also? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.1.97 (talk) 04:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This belongs somewhere else

"Unknown" later collaborated with West Coast Rap Pioneer / archivest DJ Flash on Ice T-The Classic Collection, Dr.Dre-Concrete Roots and West Coast Rap-The First Dynasty.

This should be part of the The Unknown DJ article. I'm not sure whether it's actually correct though, so I'll check first.

Wathiik 21:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Just checked. Unknown DJ in fact didn't collaborate with DJ Flash on those CDs; they just contain old tracks produced by Unknown. Wathiik 21:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ice-T's Background

Can somebody corroborate Ice-T's ethinicity/racial background and add it to the article page? Thanks Jhamez84 15:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I think he says in his book (THE ICE OPINION) that his father was Creole (i.e. of mixed European and African descent), and that his mother was African-American. I'm not sure whether that should be in the article, even though one may link his racial background with his own anti-racism. Wathiik 12:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note section

The Note section in Ice-T overlaps a fair bit with the rest of the article. Some info is duplicated but not all of it, so simply deleting the Note section seems counter-productive. Paddles 16:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Law and Order

Isn't he on one of the Law and Order series? No mention of that here.

It's mentioned in the "Actor" section. thx1138 08:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image redux

I have replaced the initial image with one that has been released by the photographer. I am not sure of the correct tag, but check it out. The previous image used a deprecated tag, not desirable in the article. --Dumarest 11:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Politics?

• I noticed that this article is listed under both Category:Musical activists and Category:Anti-Iraq war Veterans, but there's no mention of Ice T's political activism anywhere in the article. So either he shouldn't be in these categories, or the information is missing from the article (my money's on the latter of the two). Is anyone willing to develop this? Luna Santin 11:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cop Killer

Why is the most controversial part of Ice-T's career, his infamous song "Cop Killer," not so much as mentioned? Is someone trying to pretty his background up? Sorry, like it or not, it's the first thing he was widely known for in the mainstream. A paragraph should be added.

"Cop Killer" by Ice-T

[edit] Da Best?

I think that Ice-T is the best rapper of all time in rap music history.he has proven to be hip-hop one of most greatest star ever.he's style,he's message are powerful and ideas(the mind is most powerful weapon)he has been rapper since when his first record came out (1982 - present) he's not maybe the most famous nowadays rapper,but he ideas are powerful.with the one word he is the legend.

Ice T is and has always been a crip. Check all images of him on stage with Body Count, all sport a crips rag.

[edit] Rapcore?

The intro to this article asserts Ice T was also instrumental in creating rapcore. The article says nothing about what influence Ice T had on rapcore, or any rapcore band. What did he do? -- Mikeblas 15:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• It's explained over at the Body Count article. (Ibaranoff24 18:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Rap School

Can we have something written about his reality TV show shown on MTV - Ice T's Rap School [1]. Sparky132 16:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was aired on VH1, not MTV. It was at least aired FIRST on VH1. But I agree, the show should definitely be mentioned.

[edit] Date of Birth

I suggest before reverting the 14th/16th that someone find a good reliable source for his birthdate because the current cites are not really sufficient WP:RS for either date. Also remember, you are edit-warring over 2 days... keep it up and you'll qualify this article for WP:LAME.--Isotope23 14:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather be lame that using poor sources, the source I'm using is not user-generated like IMDB which is the one everyone uses. As for the sources I have included, the biographies are updated by paid members or family members or the person itself which is somewhat reliable. Lincher 17:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'd say that a source updated by paid members or family members is just as poor of a source as IMDB... in both cases you are trusting the truthfulness of anonymous people and in neither case is it WP:RS.--Isotope23 20:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I can say the same thing for my edits and your edits on wikipedia and for that matter we have to WP:AGF toward each and everyone of us. And before we find actual birth certificates or so of Ice-T, then we will leave it as such for now. Lincher 20:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not attacking your edits, merely pointing out the problems with source reliability here. You may have noticed I made no edit to the date, I just posted up a disputed tag.--Isotope23 20:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Found a reliable source, a magazine in that case. Lincher 20:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Works for me.--Isotope23 18:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

The standard spelling is Ice-T, hyphenated. Ice T is mainly used on non-official releases. Wathiik 10:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

• It's been spelled both ways. His website doesn't have the hyphen. (Ibaranoff24 14:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Killer the first politic hiphoptrack

Writing this is plain out wrong since the first political hip hop track is from 1980 by Brother D - How We Gonna Make The Black Nation Rise. The b-side on a 12" released by the reggae label Clappers. Therefore I delete this part. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.100.56.138 (talk) 19:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Vandalism

• Someone replaced this page wit "he is a fag." While I tried to fix it, it made me look as though I had vandalized Wikipedia. Connell66 04:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

some one replaced a stuff in the satage name section is vandalized —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.154.4.96 (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wow, this article needs help.

This article is long on opinion, almost sounding like poorly written ad copy, and fairly short on facts, at least compared to the amount of opinion.

[edit] Added another movie he was in

Added that he played Hamilton in 3000 Miles to Graceland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.229.233.104 (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)