Talk:Iñaki de Juana Chaos

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A fact from Iñaki de Juana Chaos appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on February 14, 2007.

[edit] BLP information

Due to the sensitive nature of the article since the subject is still living, we must be very careful with WP:BLP. Please do not add unsourced information to the article. Find references from the Internet (I suggest looking at references at the es.wiki article on Iñaki de Juana Chaos) and appropriately add them here. Thanks, Nishkid64 01:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I removed reference to the December ETA attack here as there was no reference linking the ETA attack to the imprisonment of Iñaki de Juana Chaos. If ETA have stated or if commentators have suggested the strike was in retalition for holding Iñaki de Juana Chaos then we should mention this with references. If not, it's completely irrelevant Nil Einne 12:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering further, I remove the reference to the protests. This was also unreferenced and I question it's accuracy. Iñaki de Juana Chaos has been in prison for a long time, and is being force feed. I don't see why the Spanish government would negotiate with him. Perhaps they had promised to release him or something as part of their negotiations with ETA, I don't know. But we need a reference if we are going to claim the protests had anything to do with Iñaki de Juana Chaos and weren't just about ETA Nil Einne 12:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• If somebody could find any problem with the list of people murdered by de Juana, please refer it to mediation. If not, please leave it as it is and do not erase it.

As stated at the top of this page, we must adhere to WP:BLP, which notes that any unsourced information that is potentially libellous is to be removed. gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 20:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• "Mass murder (massacre) is the act of murdering a large number of people, typically at the same time, or over a relatively short period of time. Mass murder may be committed by individuals or organizations". I do not understand why the adjetive of mass murdered is redundant, nor the interest in erasing the names of de Juana´s victims.

The label "mass murderer" is indeed redundant, as it is already mentioned that he's been convicted of killing multiple people. In addition, assigning him the label "mass murderer" skews the neutral point of view of the article (as some label him a terrorist, others a soldier) WP:BLP is very clear on the removal of biased and misleading information - see here. gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 22:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• What is clear is that he is not a soldier of any army because he belongs to a terrorist group labeled as that by the European Union, and the deffinition of mass murderer is also clear in any dictionary and in Wikipedia. Perhaps what is not neutral is your point of view.

The article is to be written in a neutral point of view, which includes the elimination of any potential biased or misleading information, or labels, in this case. It is mentioned in the article that he's been convicted of terrorism by the Spanish government already gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 23:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• Third opinion requested.--134.174.178.133 23:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good! Thanks a lot for taking the initiative! gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 23:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion

I will provide an anwer to just one point of difference as requested in third party opinion page, whether mass murderer is appropriate. First we need to find a WP:RS that calls him as such second it will fail WP:NPOV even if it is found. It is much more acceptable to call him as convicted of murdering number(give the correct number) of people. Then cite it properly. That will pass neutrality test.RaveenS 23:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

• Thank you. 25 seems not to be enough for WP:RS Mass murder definition.--134.174.178.133 00:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Mediation requested. --134.174.178.133 00:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] La Haine

The La Haine source I have inserted is clearly not neutral but for the minimal use (names and dates) it gets should be enough. It however mentions cases where the Spanish government has yielded before strikers. If somebody can add a neutral source on those, they would be mention-worthy. --Error 00:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)