Talk:Humphrey Bogart
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[edit] House of Un-American activities
More information is needed here I think because this was a particularly controversial moment in American history.
[edit] Casblanca
Moved section on Casablanca to that page.
[edit] Hagiography
Lots of well-written, informative material here, but veers towards hagiography. It needs revising with the neutral point of view in mind, specifically the section about artistic figures. --Robert Merkel
[edit] Original?
Is all of this work original? It sounds maybe copyrighted? If not, I apologize. -- Zoe
I'd like to know, too. Parts of it sound overly laudatory, and I've been dipping in occasionally to try to tone it down.
One thing to check is a Google exact string search--e.g. just search for "[one striking sentence from the article]". I did that earlier with no results, but may have picked the wrong sentences. Also, there was that fracas over the poet, where someone took an article from Wikipedia, reposted it, and accuse us of a violation. But, anyway, it's a place to start. --KQ 14:30 Aug 6, 2002 (PDT)
- The author has posted to my talk page asserting that it's original. --KQ 05:16 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
The part about "primarily smart, playful and reckless characters anchored by an inner moral code while surrounded by a corrupt world" is straight from the imdb bio page, under trademark... though i dont know who wrote that so its hard to say if theres a problem here BBnet3000 04:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Organization
Could somebody please add some kind of organization to this sprawling article? Thanks.
- Well, when someone interested in seeing some organization comes along, it will be organized. Hey, you're interested in seeing some organization... ;-) --Stephen Gilbert 15:19 Oct 1, 2002 (UTC)
[edit] Date of birth
I looked into this article while writing about Bogart for the Polish Wikipedia. Boy, the birth date is wrong ! By making a cursory web research I have found out that the correct birth date is December 25 and the January 23 date is an example of urban legend.
Kpjas Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:06:20 +0100
[edit] Length
Some of the anecdotes in the story are very interesting and do indeed serve to keep the reader captivated, but I think it makes the article a little too lengthy. I'm very ambivalent about this. What's the perfect length and comprehensiveness of an article? Kent Wang 12:18, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
[edit] His Early Life
A minor nit here, but when discussing his mother the article mentions: "In her prime, she made over $50,000 a year as an illustrator, then a vast sum for a woman to earn." Is that an inflation-adjusted figure? If not, and Maud Humphrey really did pull down $50k at the beginning of the 20th century, that is a vast sum of money period.
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- The article says that his mother was politically a "Tory". Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no American Tory Party. If his mother was born in England, making her able to be a Tory, then it should be stated that she was British.
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- Also..regarding his lisp in this section, lips do not have a role in creating lisps...therefore a splinter in his lip would have no effect on his speech. That needs to be corroborated or removed. Saucybetty 22:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
== Captions ==
I couldn't figure out why to include a second Casablanca picture in the article and struggled with writing a good caption for it. Feel free to put it back if you can make it fit without being redundant and with a good caption. Caption guidance is at Wikipedia:Captions. -- ke4roh 01:47, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)
- The caption is more about the film than the actor; should perhaps be on the film's page, but no reason for it here. MisfitToys 00:30, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Request for references
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when you have added a few references to the article. - Taxman 16:35, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Non-smoking picture
How about using a picture that doesn't promote this deadly habit.
On the contrary, I think people should see Bogart smoking and know that this resulted in his death aged 57. Also, pictures of Bogart without a cigarette are quite rare!
Agreed, he was an inveterate smoker, and purposely removing a picture of him smoking smacks of revisionism.Saucybetty 22:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Don't Bogart that joint, my friend...
...is it worth mentioning that his on-screen habit of letting cigarettes burn at length led to The Fraternity of Man song "Don't Bogart Me" and the phrase "Don't Bogart that joint," meaning "pass the joint around because it's just being wasted." ?
[edit] Descent of Bogart
As far as I can find, Bogart wasn't of of English descent but of Dutch descent. Perhaps that should be taken out of the page. His last name was Dutch also, derived from the Dutch last name Bogaert.
More information can be found on these pages. http://cybrary.uwinnipeg.ca/people/dobson/genealogy/famous/Bogart.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nnnotables/zhubo.html
[edit] Good article, but I don't think it should be a featured article
I looked at this the other day and decided to come back to mention the inadequacies I noticed at the time. I am very surprised to find this is a featured article. It is good, but it is missing two rather important things:
- The years between Casablanca and The African Queen - about half of his prime - are largely omitted except in so far as they are seen through the prism of his relationship with Bacall.
- There is no filmography.
Could someone add these please? Scranchuse 13:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, there is a separate filmography, but I don't see why it is separate when filmographies are included in the main article for most actors. Scranchuse 13:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree that it's good but not great. It would certainly not pass as a featured article now, and I think it should be listed on Wikipedia:Featured article review. The main problems I see are 1. a lack of a lead section. The "overview" section is not suitable as a lead as it goes into too much detail of his iconic status rather than provide a summary of the article. 2. A huge chunk of his career is not discussed, except as "seen through the prism of his relationshipm with Bacall". Absolutely agree. It's also POV, (IMO) to use film titles as headers or subheaders. It's not for us to spotlight which films are worthy of discussion and I think it's generally not a good thing. 3. The structure is a bit haphazard. I'd prefer a simple, straightforward chronology and there are just too many headers and sections anyway. 4. Some of the writing verges on the colloquial rather than the encyclopedic and needs to be more of a news report rather than the conversational, anecdotal style of some areas. Hopefully listing it will allow it to be improved. I don't know much about Bogart, and I have no reference material to fall back on here, so I hope that someone else can help. Rossrs 14:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bogart's Parties
There are no sources for any of these stories, so I tagged it "Not Verified" --subliminalis 07:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Quotes?
Every single quote in this article needs citations or sources, otherwise they need to be removed. -- 128.118.74.4 22:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Greatest Male Star of all Time?
Surely, Bogart was a great star, but doesn't the above stated honorific seems excessive? C'mon, how would Chaplin, Fairbanks, Sr. Clark Gable or Ronald Colman feel? Tom Cod 06:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- OK, but it is attributed and sourced.:) I just saw Bogie last night in African Queen so i would tend to agree.--Mantanmoreland 01:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pop Culture
Hi, kids, the Mighty Obbop here. I am shocked all through my innards that no reference has been made regarding a few lyrics inside the song Key Largo performed by Bertie Higgins. Here is a snippet: "We had it all Just like Bogie and Bacall Starring in our old late, late show Sailing away to Key Largo..... Here's lookin' at you kid Missing all the things we didWe can find it once again, I know Just like they did in Key Largo"
Golly gosh shucks almighty... ain't no doubt about it, I just gotta' shout it..... those lyrics are a most definite reference to Hump Bogart!!!!! Surely the song is worthy of inclusion on the main page. I would do it but, too often, I have confronted the anal-retentive weirdos infesting this site who seemingly want only their efforts to appear and ensure that by deleting inclusion by the mere commoners of Webdom. Thus, I, the Mighty Obbop, star of neither stage nor screen and with no need to fill some inner compulsion to be exclusionistic and gain some form of perverted "fame" by being the one to include actual factual context to the main page of a topic do hereby and forewith enter this info on the discussion page so that one of the anal-retentive schmucks can place it on the main page if they wanna'.68.13.191.153 21:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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- There are so many dubious references given in the popular culture section, that a number of them will be "pruned". Only when there are significant references to Bogart should these remain. Bzuk 22:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC).
I haven't posted it because I am still tracking down the reference but anyone else that can find it please help me with this pop culture reference. There is actually a pop culture reference from Japanese anime, a Studio Ghibli film to be precise. Somewhere I saw about two years ago it mentioned that Miyazaki Hayao modeled his character of Porco Rosso after many Bogart roles making Porco into a Bogart character, a role he always pictured Bogart playing. Thanks for the help in finding this reference of if it is okay to post as is please someone let me know. Ryokosha Konoe (talk) 00:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Citations & References
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Too little, Too late
Can someone re-word the odd phrase "Too Little, Too Late" in the section about Bogart's death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.40.42.251 (talk) 00:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Blue eyes?
Was he ever nick-named "blue eyes" in his movies? 156.34.214.87 (talk) 17:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Site of birth?
According to the special features in the DVD of Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Bogart was born at Sloans Maternity Hospital at 59th Street & 9th Avenue, New York. Whats the story on that? I mean, anybody know anything about the hospital? Apparently it no longer exists, or at least not under that name. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 09:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Introduction - Important Movies
What is the Left Hand of God and We're No Angels
[edit] Introduction - Important Movies
What is the Left Hand of God and We're No Angels doing on the list of his important movies, but no Sierra Madre? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.122.225 (talk) 09:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
