Talk:Humboldt County, California
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No, it's true. Sea Otters were highly prized for their pelts, and used to exist in abundance in Humboldt Bay.
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[edit] History
The only history on this page is small bit about the discovery of Humboldt Bay and then a bit about the Indian Island massacre and the Chinese expulsion, two very low points in Humboldt County history. While all these topics are worthy, there is a lot to Humboldt County history that deserves mention. I don't have time to do any work on it at the moment, but some topics that come to mind: The Jedediah Smith party was the first group of whites to find an overland route to Humboldt Bay. Arcata used to be one of the points of entry and exit for the Gold Rush in Trinity county, and outfitters were to be found in abundance (that's where the Jacoby Store House in Arcata got its start). During prohibition Humboldt County was an active moonshining location. The timber industry built the towns around Humboldt and dominated Humboldt County politics. Modern history that includes the timber industry should also focus on protest against logging, including Redwood Summer and Julia Butterfly Hill at the very minimum. The early ranching families might also be worth the mention. The influx of counter-culture types in the sixties and seventies was definitely an event and has ramifications for Humboldt County's liberal bastions, pot culture and protest spirit. In general, the Hopa and Yurok people deserve mention since they are by far the largest Native American groups in the region and have large reservations with unique histories.
In relation to the Indian Island massacre: part of the spark for the massacre was because several ranchers had allegedy lost cattle in raids by Native Americans. The Wiyot people were not to blame for these raids, they were peaceful and traded and intermarried to some degree with the white settlers. Unfortunately they were convenient scape-goats. However, there is evidence that "mountain tribes" violently resisted white settlement and may have been the cause of some of the cattle raid stories. Also, there is a more recent good note in the Indian Island massacre history: the city of Eureka finally gave 40 acres of Indian Island back to the Wiyot people on June 25th 2004. The remaining 1.5 acres are in private hands and the Wiyot tribe is attempting to raise the funds to buy that property. Lastly, a healing vigil and world renewal festival every year on the site. --Metatree 01:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Text flow, removing lists
I think the list of towns, the list of schools, and any other mere list should be removed to a sub-page so that it doesn't interrupt the text flow. --Vampyrecat 30 June 2006
[edit] "It is popularly believed?"
C'mon people, this flies in the face of the timber industry which has supported and supports Scotia and Rio Dell, cold decks are everywhere in the county and you can't drive the roads without passing logging and lumber trucks. The phrase is 'weasel worded', defies Reliable Sources and directly conflicts with what any casual visitor to Humboldt County would see. And of course, the timber industry is documentable while MJ production isn't. Can't we tone that down a little? And, to be honest, while that might, maybe, have been true 15 years ago, it is far more difficult with satellite technology present, etc. etc. Terryeo 14:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that the phrase "it is popularly believed," may be misleading, because many people may not in fact believe. However, there is actually some good evidence that MJ production is in fact a very large industry. A Mendocino county paper estimated that the industry hauled in about $1.5 billion a year in that county [1], and I see little reason to believe that Humboldt county is much different. Yes, probably less pot is grown outdoors than in the past, but outdoor growing techniques have become quite a bit more sophisticated [2]. Humboldt county has notoriusly steep terrain and plant cover that is very difficult to surveil or even enter [3]. Further, there is now a HUGE indoor growing scene [4]. Some rental agencies in Humboldt estimate that marijuana is being grown in 50% of their rentals [5]. Prop 215 has also boosted production, because many small time growers feel quite safe if they have a medical permit, and stay under the legal limits. I have no idea if the MJ economy is larger than the timber, but I'm quite sure it is very large. In any case, I do agree that it is too bad that this is such a huge topic of discussion when there are so many other topics that would be interesting to cover on Humboldt county, I have made similar statements about the History section. Ah well, I guess people will write about what they are interested in... --Metatree 04:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Sheriff vs. The Supreme Court
Wasn't the Supreme Court's only role to order that the protesters had the right to a trial? They didn't make any ruling on the facts of the case, which was left to the lower courts. Charles Douglas 15:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Eureka and the courts
While the bit on the Sheriff's department and the US district court seems appropriate to the Humboldt County page, I think that the stuff that is specific to Eureka law enforcement should be moved to the E ureka page. --Metatree 02:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Links from Bigfoot lead me here
I had been reading about the Wikipeda article concerning Bigfoot for which lead me to read more into Humboldt County in California http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Berniethomas68 19:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] bad link for "Redwood Park"
The link for "Redwood Park" in the Points of interest section links to someplace in Australia... Is there really a "Redwood Park" in Humboldt County - apart from the state parks- or should this entry be deleted altogether? Dru007 01:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sure there is. It's not a populated place, but a city park in Arcata. I removed it from the list, as it is more appropriate to that city's article. Although the forests and marsh in Arcata are also within the city, they are well-known (to waste managers and foresters anyway) outside the area (see WP:WEIGHT#Undue_weight). I added a wikilink to Redwood N&S Parks, which was likely what you were looking for.
- I also removed Moonstone Beach because there is no WP article of that name (and there is not likely to be one due to the scarcity of encyclopedic sources) and because it is only one of the beaches in the county.
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X ile 12:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC) - Talk
[edit] Tallest and Oldest Trees
Browsing WP and the internet reveals that neither the tallest nor oldest trees are near the Avenue of the Giants. Search for Hyperion and Methuselah. There are also a number of Drive-Thru Trees that are not on the Avenue. The parenthetical material is subject to prompt deletion unless a quote from the cited source is provided.
The bit about the Madrone should go as well. The tallest of one particular species in an uncertain location ("about 40 minutes" is not a measure of distance!) that was knocked down some time in a two-year time frame several years ago needn't be mentioned as a "point of interest".
The Hyperion bit should be added parenthetically added to RN&SP. The parenthetical bit about the Ave should be deleted. The bit about the Madrone should be deleted. This will restore the list to a list format. Any comments?
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X ile 12:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC) - Talk
- The tallest and oldest of the remaining Redwoods are in Humboldt and Del Norte counties. A statement to specify in some way (but to avoid the battle over exact location of the tallest that seems to change after every lightening storm) for each county's article seems appropriate and important. By the way, I have been looking for a good picture of a redwood grove or forest in Humboldt County for the article. I think its time this article showcase the tremendous fact of the beauty of the preserved groves in a picture. I have yet to find an "easy" one that will not cause questions of copyright, etc. Shall we look for that as well? Norcalal 01:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
