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No Crusader was excommunicated. They congratulated for their services and efforts of killing Jews during the Crusades. 15:57, 29 May 2006 User:Iliketoedit

... says Iliketoedit. However, historical truth is quite different. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 16:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I beg to differ. Check www.encarta.com search: Jews and the Crusades User:Iliketoedit

Exactly what I said: You think differently. However, historical truth is quite different nonetheless. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 13:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Encarta begs to differ too. Did you go to encarta.com, a real encyclopedia and check their historical facts. If you went their jackass you would know I'm not wrong. But no, you're too simple minded and didn't go to encarta.com which has better historical facts than you, simple-minded bastard.-----iliketoedit (smile back ass-wipe)

I have not checked, you may even be right (or some version); but your incivility makes this a different problem. If it happens again, it is grounds for a temporary block. See Wikipedia:Civility for Wikipedia policy. -- Stbalbach 03:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is a mess

This article has no direction and makes no real points. The last line, "All of these and more provide differing opinions on the results of the Crusades, but all agree that the Crusades caused a separation to occur between the two religions" is a really poor way to end this article. The Crusades did not cause a separation between Judaism and Christianity. And, what type of separation are we talking about? The religious separation happened in the 1st century. The separation between Jews and non-Jews happened during the numerous bloody revolts that Jews initiated during Roman rule. The persecution of Jews against the early Christians certainly caused a separation. The Jews of that region helped just about every invader that pushed into the Middle East. This includes the Persians and Islam. These pre-date the Crusades by centuries. The only short term effects of the Crusades were that Jews, as combatants and non-combatants died, as did Christians and Muslims. By the end the Crusades, the Ottoman Turks firmly established their rule and Jews and Christians lived side by side under Islamic control.

Again, this article needs a better conclusion that is more accurate and actually makes a point. Jtpaladin 17:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If there is anything in this article you feel is wrong or poor please delete it, or if you'd rather not, tag it with {fact} tags and give some rationales like you did above, and wait a few weeks, and if not fixed, I'll delete it myself. Or add {cleanup} or {pov} tags if you think they are needed, This article was (mostly) created by a one-off anon user(s), there is no one really maintaining it. -- Stbalbach 00:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Stbalbach, thank you very much for the support. Well said. There wasn't one specific thing that I could put my finger on to make this article better. I really am not sure that this topic deserves its' own article and can simply be incorporated in the general article of the Crusades. It's like creating a special article for what happened to the Greeks in Byzantine lands after the Crusades. Did tragic things happen? Sure, but does it deserve its' own section? I don't think so. Jtpaladin 14:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I would not put this (back) into the Crusades article, it was moved out of there because it is too detailed and specific for that high-level article which is already too long. Probably a better place for it is one of the many Wikipedia articles on Jewish history (of which this is one).. but Jewish history of the Crusades certainly can have its own article, its a big topic. -- Stbalbach 15:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree it is a mess. I am currently expanding the info about the Jews of the First Crusade. I am not too knowledgeable on the Jewish pogroms in other Crusades. I'll let others deal with that. --Ghostexorcist 22:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)