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Contents 1 Fair use rationale for Image:Millenium Godzilla.jpg 2 The name Gojira. 3 Trimming the fat 4 Major Rewrite 5 About Zilly.... 6 This article needs improvement. 7 Vandalism 8 Also Known As?

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Millenium Godzilla.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The name Gojira.

The story of the name Gojira coming from the nickname of a Toho employee was also published as part of the Official Godzilla Compendium (by J.D. Lees and Marc Cerasini, published by Random House in 1998) at the bottom of page 12. It is written as though it were fact, however, the employee is not identified. Excerpt below:

"Finding a title was still a problem. The tongue-twisting name Kaitei Niman Mairu Kara Kita Dai Kaiju (The Big Monster from 20,000 Miles Underneath the Sea) was attached to it, but Tanaka knew that was a non-starter.
One day a friend told Tanaka about an overweight, lumbering press agent working in Toho's publicity department. The man was so immense that some of the staff nicknamed him "Gojira"--a word formed by combining the Japanese words for gorilla (gorira) and whale (kujira). Tanaka loved the name, and after considering it for a few days, he decided to use it for his monster.
Thus, Gojira was born."
Hypershell (talk) 21:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming the fat

The "Incarnations" section is needlessly bloated and simply reiterates the plot of each and every Godzilla movie instead of discussing the character.

I reduced the Heisei section first as it was the longest. I'd really appreciate some help in trimming the fat off the rest of this section as well. As it stands, Godzilla's article is very, very "In-Universe", very TL;DR and would probably bore anybody but a hardcore Godzilla fan to tears. Let's see if we can give it some Real World context so that the Average Joe who happens to look up "Godzilla" won't be instantly turned off by the length and make this article actually useful.

And remember, citations are a wikipedian's best friend :D

K00bine (talk) 09:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Major Rewrite

I'm gonna do a rewrite of the entire article. The article is too in-universe and needs a major cleanup. If anyone has any complaints or objections, please respond. — Enter Movie (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can find to include a list of the Godzilla movies in your rewrite? maybe include how many there are and titles, years, etc.? or maybe that should be a different page? i don't think it needs to be massively in depth, i just think it needs to be there. or if not and we want to keep this focused on the character itself, maybe there should be a page that focuses on the original movie? Killemall22 (talk) 04:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Can we respond with praise and suggestions? ;) I like the sleeker format, but agree that there needs to be a more extensive film section. He is a major movie star, after all!! Pairadox (talk) 04:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

sorry~! i forgot to say thank you for working on this and doing such it good job, it was a very long article. and yes it is just a suggestion. thank you again!Killemall22 (talk) 04:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on the film section, but it's not gonna be in-depth or else it would be in-universe. You guys can help if you want, but be sure to make it short. Here are examples of good character pages: Michael Myers (Halloween) and Jason Voorhees. — Enter Movie (talk) 04:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I like that the article has been reduced in size. However, I think it *does* need a bit more "in-universe" content, and to describe Godzilla as a character; his role in the films, his special abilities, and so on, just summarised and made blatantly clear that he's fictional. The brief summary of his powers that was in the previous article would be a nice re-addition, I think, and maybe a short section explaining that he has had multiple incarnations over the years, but not going into gratuitous detail about them.

K00bine (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay. It can be in-universe, but the majority of the article can't be in-universe. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). — Enter Movie (talk) 22:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope your edits stick. Back when I tried this it just got out of hand and people just started to reedit everything back in. DyslexicDan (talk) 18:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About Zilly....

His mother was a salamander. Guess Who? (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Godzilla was an important motivation of my early childhood to go profesional in throwing things. I jsut love it so much. One time I threw a dictionary off the Empire State Building and it came close to hitting a man with the AIDS. Godzilla is a mentor and should have children for my children to be influenced by too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.178.41 (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs improvement.

Seriously, its really important, we need to get it to Good Article status atleast, people contribute! I want to see it become featured! JTBX (talk) 01:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Uhhh... you know you're making the article in-universe? The "in popular culture" section doesn't need to be in the article 'cause it already has it's own page, there's already a Godzilla video games article, and the "incarnations" section is the one that makes this article mainly in-universe. See Michael Myers (Halloween), Jason Voorhees, and Predator (alien); they are really good examples on how character pages should be. I'm currently trying to work on the article. — Enter Movie (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

But they deserve relevant mentions. JTBX (talk) 22:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a fan site. Those inclusions did not meet Wikipedia's quality standards and manual of style. If you want it to be a Good Article, then you can't have it in-universe. -- 151.213.187.251 (talk) 05:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should lend the discussion of Godzilla's incarnations to its own article, and include a summary in the main Godzilla article explaining that the character has been tweaked and reinvented over the years?

K00bine (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The incarnations can possibly fit into the "concept and creation" section if it's apporpriate, but I don't know. — Enter Movie (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

There are numerous cases of vandalism being reverted on this article, more than a few of them bye a certain Smokeknight09 and other IP adresses which I suspect might be the same person. See the article edit history for more detials. Is there anything we can do about this? Maybe block the user? I mean I don't think locking or semi-locking the page would be good seeing as how this page is under going good construction. Yoshi thomas (talk) 06:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Putting it in semi-lock seems good to me. — Enter Movie (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about me, I only did the SSBB joke once, so the other stuff wasn't me. I am NOT this SmokeKnight guy, trust me. I'm not doing anymore jokes, but I AM trying my best to add to articles what I feel is neccessary (The Godzilla in SSBB joke not included). (66.214.8.7 (talk) 04:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Also Known As?

It is stated Godzilla is "also known as The King of the Monsters and Gigantis, the Fire Monster." As the introductory sentence to the entire article, these two pieces of information are so insignificant, they don't warrant mention in the very beginning. The nickname "King of the Monsters" is (correct me if I'm wrong) a slogan given for the original American release probably by a bunch of marketing guys. Since then it has grown into a term of endearment but nobody regularly uses the phrase interchangeably in formal writing with the name "Godzilla." Likewise, Godzilla is never ever ever called Gigantis (Fire Monster or not) outside of the context of the original American version of Godzilla Raids Again. Even modern day viewers refer to it as a "Godzilla movie" featuring Godzilla. According the the movie's Wikipedia article, Toho even had the rerelease titled as Godzilla instead of Gigantis. As such, the two terms above should hold their current place of prominence and be relegated to the article's body (especially "Gigantis"). Does anyone agree? --Blackbox77 (talk) 19:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• OK, I'll agree. These are a movie subtitle (for the US re-edit of the first Godzilla movie) and the US release title of Godzilla Raids Again. The first Godzilla movie I saw was "Gigantis" on original release. But these are movie titles, not alternate names for our misunderstood friend.Naaman Brown (talk) 19:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)