Talk:Fourth Estate
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I realize that this article (which I just created) comes perilously close to being a "familiar quotations" article. Nonetheless, I think it belongs in wikipedia.
- For obvious reasons, we need articles on First Estate, Second Estate, and Third Estate. Someone who had heard the term "Fourth Estate" but did not know what it meant would be bewildered by the lack of this article.
- I think that the article could profitably be expanded from a mere origin-of-the-term to discuss the emergence of the political power of the press with the dawn of the modern era (i.e., from the time of Gutenberg onward). However, I personally don't have the inclination to write that article in the near future.
Jmabel 07:02, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] proletariat v. mob
The section on alternative meaning seems to say that "the mob" is a reasonable synonym for "the proletariat", when I cannot see how this can be the case. The proletariat is basically the working class in an advanced capitalist society (which seemingly never materialized), while "the mob" either means a bunch of upset and irrational citizens, or a criminal organization. The later might make sense, but it's far from clear from the context, and doesn't seem a likely meaning given the time of the quote. (anonymously posted, 10 March 2005)
- No, in that time and place The Mob would have meant the hoi polloi. I think this is correct as it stands. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:40, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge?
Rather than scatter merge discussion over the place, let's centralize it at Talk:Estates of the realm#Proposed merge -- Jmabel | Talk 08:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hazlitt reference...
I don't particularly want to edit the article to reflect this, but William Hazlitt calls Cobbett a "kind of fourth estate in the politics of the country" in The Spirit Of The Age, published in 1825... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.142.143.231 (talk • contribs) 11 Feb 2006.
[edit] Carlyle quote
the carlyle quote is way, wayy to long... someone should go through, insert elipses and carefully truncate it. Janemansfield74 05:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
