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I edited the caption. It said it is Junge in WWI, while he is wearing a medal for WWI service only issued after the war. I altered it to 'during years of the Wiemar Repbublic.' Whoever uploaded this image please add what type of uniform he his wearing, it looks like WWI or Stalhelmbund to me. TaylorSAllen 19:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you are doubly mistaken. I assume the medal you refer to is the one in his button hole, which you think is the so-called HIndenburg Cross, which was given for WWI service. That medal was only instituted on July 13, 1934, so if this is a photo of Juenger with this medal, then the picture is not from Weimar but from the Third Reich. However, the medal in the photo is not the Hindenburg cross, it is the Knights Cross with Swords of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern, which during WWI was sort of an intermediate award between the Iron Cross First Class and the Order Pour le Merite. The manner of wear would indicate that this photo was taken when the medal was issued, so the photo is quite unquestionably from WWI. Folcwald 20:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone (790) keeps reverting "In Stahlgewittern" to a novel. It is, in fact, an autobiographical recount of Jünger's WWI war service, which is properly accounted for in the intro. It is a non-fiction work. (Asav)


Anyone have any information as to where Junger stated his famous quote "Red is the color of domination and rebellion"?


Are you sure this isn't copyrighted? It looks an awful lot like kirjast.sci.fi

Now there is a new-article on Ernst Jünger which isn't copyrighted! I've wrote it on my own using information found on kirjasto.sci.fi and juenger.org

Are you sure this isn't still to close to kirjasto.sci.fi/ejunger.htm ?? It looks awfully similar to me... (gabbe)

Feel free to re-edit this article if you think it's not OK!


In any case, there are/were traces of a German original: I had to correct Weimarer Republik to Weimar Republic and similar things.
S.


This information about Jünger's anti-Semitism and fascism should be incorporated into the article. --Eloquence


You are right: this is a clear statement of Jünger. He describes the jews as a threat for the germans.


Is his first wife's name "Greta" or "Gretha"? It appears both ways in the article.


"Jünger was involved in the fringes of the Stauffenberg bomb plot - not directly but as a figure of intellectual inspiration. "

If this is the case, a citation that supports this statement should be given. Otherwise this is really really vague and should be deleted.
--zeno 04:27 Jan 13, 2003 (UTC)

I deleted the statement that Jünger was holder of the civil version of Pour le Merite. I also read about that, but never found a proof. It may be a rumor. Please correct me if I am wrong. --Linksrechts 19:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] His Children?

Can anyone find any printed info on the names of his two children and their birth/(death) dates?

DELETED -- found it...


[edit] On the Bomb Plot

ERNST JUNGER, CONTRADICTORY GERMAN AUTHOR WHO WROTE ABOUT WAR, IS DEAD AT 102 David Binder The New York Times, February 18, 1998

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"In Paris he was close to German officers who participated in the July 20, 1944, plot to kill Hitler, but he was not involved in the conspiracy. His punishment was summary dismissal from the Wehrmacht."

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[edit] War Service - Highly Decorated

There should be more about his World War One record considering he was highly decorated and very well regarded as an officer (including being an early leader/instructor of the Sturmtruppe and one of the first to lead this new type of assault troop into combat).

In 1916 he received the Iron Cross First Class.

In 1917 he received the Ritterkreuz des Hausordens von Hohenzollern (Knight's Cross of the House of Hohenzollern).

In 1918 he received the "Pour le Mérite" (also known as "the Blue Max" - same medal the Red Baron and others wore around their necks), the highest German military decoration of that time (awarded Sept 18th, 1918, notification by telegram received Sept 22nd, 1918 while he was in hospital - which is where he ended the war).

Junger was the youngest recipient of the "Pour le Mérite," which put him in very high standing with his post-war peers - this point especially should be made/noted.

He was also wounded in combat 14 times (at least), receiving the "Gold Wound Stripes" in recognition of this.

All of this is presented in his works - "Storm of Steel" in particular, and is further supported by critics/historians.

Proof of his being awarded the "Pour le Mérite," can be found at http://www.pourlemerite.org/ where his name is listed amongst the army's recipients with date. Also listed there are his other awards.

Further proof can be found in Wikipedia itself under the entry "Pour le Mérite" - http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pour_le_Mérite - where the following is correctly stated - "The last living holder of the Pour le Mérite was novelist Ernst Jünger who died in 1998 and who, at the age of 23, was the youngest ever recipient as well."

Hope that helps those interested.


Update - After writing the above, I decided to add two sentences to the single line that made mention of his war record in the main article. In them I made note of his being awarded the "Pour le Mérite" and how he was the youngest person to ever receive this decoration. The reason for doing so should be obvious, as the sentences themselves make clear just in what they state. Receiving the "Pour le Mérite" would be a very big point in anyone's life, and he received it in recognition of repeated front line combat performance. The fact he was the youngest person to ever receive this award is obviously both of further note, and support for the overall comment's inclusion (which the Wikipedia "Pour le Mérite" article also chose to single out).

Thanks Again

9Fafner9 17:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drawning

I suggest the use of

It comes from the French Page. The B&W one's is still in the first part of the article but not in front of the page and it looks more neutral for the reader IMHO --Neuromancien 06:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On the Marble Cliffs

Hello everyone,

in the article it says that On the Marble Cliffs "uses metaphor to describe Jünger's perceptions of the situation in Hitler's Germany". Jünger himself always rejected this interpretation and stated the book had no direct connection to the NS dictatorship. I've just recently read it and think you could claim that the novel promotes aestheticism as a way of opposition to a world dominated by a ruthless striving for power (well, it says so on the back cover... but I wholeheartedly agree to that idea!). You could also read it as a description of a culture in decline, an ascending dictatorship built on violence and terror, and the way to oppose such a one (by inner migration, which the narrator and his brother Otho practice). The interpretation should not be limited to Nazi Germany, but rather encompass Jünger's whole conception of the aesthete making a stand against the modern world (think e.g. of his chivalric notion of combat, his passionate interest in plants, insects and birds, his social utopias etc.) In the article, one could very nicely connect the Marble Cliffs to Jünger's entire personal philosophy.

Greetings --134.95.140.152 14:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC) (I'm registered as Blödmannshilfsassistent, for some reason only the IP shows up)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


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