Talk:English phonemes

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This article is non-sensical. Every dialect has a different set of phonemes. The article should describe the phonemes in different dialects. The article assumes that there is no distinction within dialects and confuses everything. That's ridiculous.

The article should also explain why the phonemes are abbreviated with those symbols, and not with other symbols. For example, why is /t/ abbreviated like that, and not with the symbol of another allophone within the phoneme, for example the ɾ (fishhook r)?

Besides, the pronunciation should be described with the International Phonetic Alphabet, not with IPA-ASCII. If you want to use IPA-ASCII, use it in addition to the IPA, not as a substitute.

Another thing: the capital "P" in the title is ridiculous. "Phoneme" is a common noun, not a proper noun. Common nouns are not capitalized in Wikipedia article titles. At least that's the custom here.

[edit] non-sense

To points 1 and 2 above, I agree that this is non-sensical. The page references http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm, but I cannot find the ASCII representation this page uses on that site or elsewhere after several minutes. This page would probably be better off deleted and started from scratch. I am ignorant of wiki formatting, though, and in addition adding IPA symbols seems too daunting for me at the moment. Dubson 9 July 2005 00:06 (UTC)

It doesn't just not make sense, but the information that the article would have if it were fully expanded is already available in the received pronunciation and general american articles. Maybe it should be deleted. AEuSoes1 22:30, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

I vote for making it phoneme correspondances. Every distinction any (major? how do we define major?) dialect makes would have a row, and each column would show how different dialects pronounce that sound. It'd be long and mostly uninteresting, but it might have some value—more than anything else you could do with this page. (It shows not only splits and mergers, but also direct and simple equivalences, such as AmE /ɛ/ vs AusE /e/ e.g.

	RP	AusE	NYE	GAm.
bath	ɑː	ɐː	ɛə	æ	trap-bath split; æ-tensing
plant	ɑː	æː	ɛə	æ	trap-bath split; bad-lad split; æ-tensing
bad	æ	æː	ɛə	æ	bad-lad split; æ-tensing
trap	æ	æ	æ	æ
bed	ɛ	e	ɛ	ɛ

I don't mean to include only those ones, they're just the ones necessary to show the point.

— Felix the Cassowary 05:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

That's great, only it's already done in the IPA chart for English

AEuSoes1 18:46, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, right you are; I agree then, this page can be deleted and made a redir to somewhere else. — Felix the Cassowary 12:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Unless someone objects, I'll probably change the article to a redirect to IPA chart for English, and add a link to this talk page from its one. —Felix the Cassowary (ɑe hɪː jɐ) 03:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

• Support merge. This article should be redirected to IPA chart for English. – AxSkov (☏) 06:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
• Support the merger. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 06:12, 6 September 2005 (UTC)