Talk:Ecuadorian Constituent Assembly

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In my edits yesterday I had included the following: "Despite Correa's statement that the result of the election (overwhelmingly in his favor) was a call for Congress to be dismissed, there was no constitutional basis for the Assembly's removal of Congress or its subsequent assumption of legislative powers. Nor was there any basis for these actions in the limitations set out in the plebiscite (on whether or not to establish the assembly) or the elections (to vote for representatives for the assembly), both of which dealt with the establishment of the Constituent Assembly charged solely with the task of rewriting the Constitution."

This was incorrect. The Ecuadorian Constituent Assembly referendum, 2007 asked "Do you approve the convocation and installation of a plenipotentiary Constituent Assembly in accordance with the electoral statute attached hereto in order to transform the institutional framework of the state and to draw up a new constitution?" However, as I have written in the article about Rafael Correa, the ability to "transform the instituional framework of the state" was not part of the original plebiscite. I thus have changed the article to include mention of why Congress has considered resistance. If others don't think this back-history is needed, it can be removed. In short, it still seems to me that Correa has acted unconstitutionally, but that he did so more blatantly at an earlier stage in the game. Sjmcfarland (talk) 03:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

As I understand it, from talking to Ecuadorians who may not be perfectly informed, Congress approved the referendum (after half of them were thrown out and replaced) without that language, and it was added before the referendum took place. I think Correa had contended that Congress didn't really need to approve at all. This situation is important and should be included, but perhaps on the Ecuadorian Constituent Assembly referendum, 2007 page, rather than this page about the assembly. (I don't think you can pass judgement on what's constitutional since there isn't any agreed-upon method for determining what's constitutional, thus the need for a better constitution.) Craig Butz (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to ensure that my opinion of the constitutionality of the proceedings isn't in the article. I do think I need to read the 1998 Constitution more closely and see what light it casts on the situation. I know some members in Congress and the Congressional Tribunal (I think) have declared certain recent developments as unconstitutional, but I'm not sure how based in the constitution these judgments are. Perhaps sections of this article do belong in the referendum page.Sjmcfarland (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm still trying to find the correct number of Acuerdo PAIS delegates. I counted up everyone on a chart published in El Commercio to arrive at 74, but saw in some English-language source 80. The Assembly Website doesn't seem to include any list of delegates, which is pretty disappointing, given the exhaustive texts of constitutions they include.Craig Butz (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a list on the CEC homepage, from which I compiled the election result at Ecuadorian Constituent Assembly election, 2007, but it's a judgment call to decide to whom the joint seats belong -- I usually simply opted for the larger party, to increase clarity. —Nightstallion 19:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

At this point, with the Constituyente meeting, it has an actual makeup, which ought to be accurately included in the article, if we could just find it! Craig Butz (talk) 06:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the proper format for representing fusion candidates is to indicate them as just that - as seen here.--The One True Fred (talk) 08:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you link to a subsection of another page? I want the link for the text "confrontations between Correa and Congress" to link to the Constitutional Assembly section of the Rafael Correa article. Sjmcfarland (talk) 01:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Click the subsection link from the article in question. The article title with the # and following title is your link. Like this.--The One True Fred (talk) 04:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)