Talk:Dream argument

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[edit] argument against simulated reality

"The main counter argument against simulated reality is the brain's own physical limitations. The brain has a limited capability for imagination (in it's capability for creating synapses, and physical reality as we know it exceeds it in complexity. Another counter point is that simulated reality disregards the intelligence barrier to achieving genius ideas."

The brain, in fact, creates "simulated realities" so there isn't really a debate about whether it happens or not. In fact, what you perceive as "reality" is actually simulated by the brain as well, since the brain doesn't directly experience anything.

The Simulation Hypothesis is that everything we see is simulatd all the time, nto that there are lots of little mini-simulations going on in an unsimulated, shared reality. Dreaming doesn't prove the SH any more than computer games do.1Z (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The brain even edits out a lot of the details potentially available for in brain simulation for precisely the reasons you point out.

Lordvolton (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simulated reality section

--Qualiam (talk) 10:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC) This claim is dubious:

This also silences those who claim a simulated reality requires far fetched scientific technology, since the only apparatus needed to construct a simulated reality is a human brain.

If the only apparatus needed to construct a reality simulation is a human brain, then we no longer need to imagine brains-in-vats or brains-in-bodies, we just need to imagine brains-in-and-of-themselves. A brain by itself cannot construct a simulated reality, a brain also necessarily requires 'appropriate' stimulation. True, brains can generate their own signals, to a point. But even this ability requires energy, chemicals, blood, etc which the brain is incapable of producing without being in/part of an appropriate environment, hence the necessity for bodies...or vats (far fetched scientific technology).

I agree, Qualiam. Actually, the whole section is dubious. I'm in favor of removing it. Graymornings (talk) 02:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article

I'm submitting an articl, (not sure of category) that examines the biological basis of dreaming and nightmares. Here's the link: http://www.artsandopinion.com/2004_v3_n6/lewis-13.htm Thanking you for the consideration, Artsandopinion (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Robert Lewis

Not really about the Dream Argument. 1Z (talk) 18:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)