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Contents 1 Merge proposals - various minor demons 1.1 Collective Survey 1.2 Decision 1.3 Discussion of individual articles 2 Merge proposal - 'Fear Lords (comics)' into 'Demons (Marvel Comics)' 2.1 Survey 2.2 Discussion 3 Relationship tree 4 Merge Ikonn 5 Redundancy 6 Merge Ikthalon 7 Rename?

[edit] Merge proposals - various minor demons

Looking through the demon list, there are a lot of stubs - some of which are for characters with only one or two appearances. Accordingly, I'd suggest that all of the Six Fingered Hand stuff, all of the Octessence members (except Cytorrak, who's also tied into X-Men via Juggernaut etc) and a few of the other minor demons get merged. A subsection for each group on this page should be enough. I've omitted the Fear Lords from the merge proposal, as I'm really not sure how significant they are - and I've omitted Zom, for much the same reason. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• Have you considered merging them to articles of their groups, ie, Six Fingered Hand instead? I'd support that. --InShaneee 23:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• I think there might be a case for doing that with the Octessence, but the Six-Fingered Hand are sufficiently obscure that they aren't really worth it. A couple of the others don't have a group to go to. Even with the Octessence, the best candidates for this, there's just one storylinr - the Exemplars - where they acted as a group (and then they acted entirely via mortal pawns, still staying offscreen...) --Mrph 23:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• I see your point...consider this a blanket support for all candidates, then. --InShaneee 23:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• At the moment I'm tidying up the Category:Marvel Comics cosmic entities, thereby creating subcategories, among them a subcategory for Octessence. So whatever the result may be, if the most members of Octessence are merged to other articles please also remove the Category:Octessence and all remaining links to it. Thanks! --Weapon X (de) 21:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As the Octessence only appear as a group for one storyline, The Eighth Day, I'm really not sure it's worth keeping 'em as an article of their own. I'll tidy up the category and links though; not a problem. --Mrph 21:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collective Survey

(this way it's much easier... I hope you don't mind, Mrph)

Merge --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge: I support all merges below. --J'ohn 01:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge: Blanket support for all candidates --InShaneee 23:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge: I support

• all members of Octessence to be merged with the Octessence article
• all others to be merged with the Demons article

Weapon X (de) 21:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Decision

Closed with decision to merge --Mrph 22:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of individual articles

• Avarrish - Six Fingered Hand, only one appearance - in a Defenders storyline? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Balthakk - Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Farallah - Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Fashima - Six Fingered Hand, only one appearance - in a Defenders storyline? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Hyppokri - Six Fingered Hand, only one appearance - in a Defenders storyline? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Ikonn -Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Krakkan -Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• N'Gabthoth - Serviror of Shuma-Gorath - just one appearance? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Puishannt - Six Fingered Hand, only one appearance - in a Defenders storyline? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Raggadorr -Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Unthinnk - Six Fingered Hand, only one appearance - in a Defenders storyline? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Valtorr -Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Visimajoris - Random independent demon-of-the-week. Just one appearance? --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Watoomb - Part of the Octessence - but not actually a significant character in its own right, even if the name gets mentioned on a regular basis. --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Six-Fingered Hand (comics) - As a group, they might deserve a little more description - but they're still single-story villains --Mrph 23:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal - 'Fear Lords (comics)' into 'Demons (Marvel Comics)'

I'm keeping this separate from the discussions above, as they're already completed whereas this is new. It's a stub, all of the individual fear lords were already listed on this page and they only acted as a group in one storyline - so I think it makes more sense to merge 'em into this article. --Mrph 00:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Merge --Mrph 00:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Several of the beings mentioned above are not Demons but Principalities, i.e. beings that grant unique spells to sorcerers like Dr. Strange, according to the latest OHOTMUs (such as the Vishanti which most definitely are *not* demons). Therefore I'm preparing an article titled Principalities (comics) for them. Sorry about being late to post this but my local comic book shop closed and it took me months to get the new OHOTMU issues. I hope nobody minds. It should be easy to transfer the material. -Wilfredo Martinez 18:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Principalities (comics) is now done. I'd like to remove Octessence beings from this article now (at least the ones not known to be demonic). -Wilfredo Martinez 16:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the Octessence should not be considered Demons except PERHAPS in the Moorcockian sense. But they are still named as such in this article, as well as in the categories of their own article. I think that is a mistake. 200.199.198.83 20:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relationship tree

Some relationship tree should be created to illustrate the relationships between various characters- groups, teams, direct descendants, etc.

[edit] Merge Ikonn

• merge - a Marvel Comics demon that lacks notarity is could better serve a part of the greater Demon picture, per precidence with other minor demons. 66.109.248.114 09:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• weak merge - there is about as much here as there is in the entry. My only concern is that his profile suggests there is more to his history than is given but I doubt even the full history would satisfy notability and this looks to be a perfect example of the kind of thing that makes sense merged into a larger article. (Emperor 11:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC))
• do not merge - more info needed - the entry on Ikonn says that he's "possibly" a demon. Is information on him relevant to the demons article if it isn't even certain whether he is a demon? Is there a more general article that might be appropriate for this character to be merged to such as an article on just villians? Only if there is no other suitable place for Ikonn or if the claimed tie of Ikonn to the demons can be substantiated should this merger take place. --Nanobri 15:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

editorial intrigue by the comic or wiki writers without further substantiation, is not a strong enough argument to rule out demonhood for this character. In addition the lack of appearances and use in the past few decades, leads me to feel this is a minor Marvel demon. 66.109.248.114 00:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion closed with consensus to merge. -66.109.248.114 21:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Redundancy

The section on Ikonn under Octessence and the one at the end are almost identical. I suggest removing the one at the end, since it doesn't say anything the first one doesn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MorkaisChosen (talk • contribs) 15:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Ikthalon

-nomination - merge due to stub of article of charactar seldom utilized asside from fleeting battles w/ Hellstorm and Dr. Strange incantations. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC).

• MERGE It's a stub that will probably never have new information to be added. Merge it to rid ourselves of yet another stub. And if Ikthalon randomly does reappear his former article will redirect to the page where new information can be added. -Freak104 (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

• Merge. It seems unlikely that this stub can be expanded very far. Merging it here is a logical choice. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion closed with consensus to merge. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Rename?

This article was just renamed from Demons (Marvel Comics) to Demons in the Marvel Universe. Isn't there some kind of exemplar to be followed for naming conventions or is this an OK move? 207.229.140.148 (talk) 20:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)