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[edit] Cider vs perry
This article suggests that cider is made from apples or pears. I always understood that cider is made solely from apples and perry is the equivalent made from pears. Shouldn't the pear info be removed from the introduction? Perry is dealt with further on in the article. 217.155.195.19 18:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- I would agree that perry should be removed from the introduction as it is mentioned as a variation down the article. My understanding (based in UK) is that cider is made with apples and perry is made with pears in a cider style. In a similar way, wine is made from grapes, but apple wine is made solely from apples in a wine style. Pear cider suggests to me that the drink is made from pears using a cider production method. Beechhouse (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alcoholic vs. non-alcoholic
The opening paragraph seems to be too definitive when it states that "Cider... is an alcoholic beverage...." Even outside of the US/Canada, there are enough references to non-alcoholic Cider to merit a different wording. Might I suggest: "Cider... is a beverage made mainly from the juice of apples, though pears are also used;[1] (in the UK, pear cider is known as perry). In most of the world, cider is an alcoholic drink. However, it may also be non-alcoholic, as is the case in the United States and parts of Canada, where the term almost exclusively...." Zhiroc (talk) 23:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Another data point: in Sweden, there are several well-known brands of non-alcoholic or low-alcohole cider: clear, carbonated, apple- or pear-based; used as a more mature and slightly less sweet alternative to soda soft drinks. My guess is that these have been popular since the early 20th century. They don't seem to match the Apple cider article very well. The term cider is also used for sparkling wine-like alcoholic ciders, and for alcopop-like sweet ciders, which have become a popular way to get drunk in recent years, for people who don't like the taste of beer. JöG (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- This was discussed before (see Archive 1) with the idea of resolving the differences in naming of cider, hard cider, apple cider and apple juice by moving content to separate pages. In the end, this page (Cider) was used for the alcoholic drink. There is a note at the top re-directing people looking for the non-alcoholic variety to Apple cider. The Swedish case above shows that there is no easy way to define any of these terms. My own impression is that it's best to keep the introduction as concise as possible and avoid overlapping of definitions where possible. Beechhouse (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
