Talk:Cheyenne, Wyoming

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Should any mention of Wyoming once being part of the Republic of Texas (and maybe mexico before that?) be made?

Would the elevation be worth mentioning? It's 100 miles north of "mile-high" Denver. -- Sylvar 15:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Poor Article Quality 2 Which is bigger? 3 Indians "hunting" white men 4 Improvements 5 Cheyenne Club 6 Legnth of Article 7 Deletion of 130 edits 8 Temperatures

[edit] Poor Article Quality

This article looks more like an advertisement than an educational resource. It has four sentences that end with an exclamatory mark, and I've never seen such a thing in any published encyclopedia. Furthermore, this article frequently uses bolded words, which I've never seen on a WP article before. It looks ridiculously out of place, as if it was copied and pasted from somewhere else. I may go through the article myself and change this, but I don't want to do anything that would make the regular WP people angry. Sentences with exclamatory marks (And further criticisms from myself) are as follows:

"They couldn't get home and back in that period of time. So, they just poured into Cheyenne for the winter, swelling its population to over 10,000, virtually over night!"

Using "So" at the beginning of a sentence must be against some English rule of some sort. I'm no English expert, but this just doesn't sound right to me. Just an example of the atrocity that is this article.

"Of that, 200 were children, 400 were women (mostly Ladies of the Night) and the rest...well, they were just plain rowdy!"

That probably violates every Encyclopedia-quality sentence standard known to mankind. Ladies of the Night? Give me a break. This is an encyclopedia, not an infomercial.

"Cheyenne was at the time THE richest city in the world per capita!"

I have a fairly hard time believing that, but, seeing as this article does not cite most of its sources, it should be easy to see why. Also, the all-caps "THE" just looks annoying. It has no place in an encyclopedia that is trying to maintain its factual accuracy above that of the Encyclopaeaeaedia Britannica.

"Participating in this annual event are nearly 700,000 rodeo fans!"

This, talking about Frontier Days, isn't true any more. At one point, there might have been 70 thousand fans present. Last year, there were hardly 70 thousand people (Residents and tourists) in town, let alone "Rodeo fans". Surely somebody makes a census of this stuff.

The first portion of this article simply isn't up to the high standard of quality that I am used to when perusing the Wiki. Furthermore, I'd be willing to edit it myself if I weren't so noobtastic when it came to Wiki formating and courtesy. Oh, and just so that I don't sound too cynical, the article from Geography onward (Minus Other Information, paragraphs 2, 3, and 7, and the phrase "somewhere in the briney deep" in paragraph 9) is just fine in my opinion. Just my two or three cents. -- An anonymous coward, former Cheyenne resident

[edit] Which is bigger?

The Wikipedia site for Casper claims that that is the biggest city in Wyoming.

• That statement was true in the 1980s, but economic changes in the oil industry were a significant factor in Casper's diminishing population from the late 80s and into the 90s. The recent natural gas boom has helped to reverse the trend. Casper may become the larger city in the near future. Zenithian 17:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indians "hunting" white men

Is this article lifted from a cowboy novel? If Indians "hunted" white men, and "killed many" I think we need some citations. --mgaved 10:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improvements

I've taken the liberty of revising the section on winds--the facts were accurate enough but the phrasing was clumsy and amateurish. In the realm of the decidedly unencyclopedic, however, may I ask--what on earth is the purpose of that little squib about a low demand for nurses at the local hospital? Is someone trying to discourage job applicants? Hoping to drive out the competition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.27.73.102 (talk) 05:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Cheyenne Club

Removed these two paragraphs specifically about the Cheyenne Club, since they really have nothing to do with the town history themselves:

The Cheyenne Club, originally called the "Cactus Club", was nothing like that found in the fictionalized motion picture from Hollywood, the "Cheyenne Social Club". That was portrayed as a House of
Ill-Repute located somewhere that looked like Arizona. The real Club was a luxurious quarter-block building where the Cattle Barons could get away from their women. Unless by special invitation,  
ladies were not to enter the Club. Wealthy ranchers would go there to play cards, billiards, and drink quietly. Strong rules disallowed such things as swearing, spitting on the floor (spitoons were
supplied), and cheating at cards. One of the richest cattlemen, John Coble, apparently drank too much and shot a hole in the big picture over the back-bar. He was immediately expelled as a member! 
It's said that picture still exists at Cheyenne's Old West Museum.

When the Cattle Barons left the Magic City, after their vast herds perished during the harsh winter of 1886-87, the Cheyenne Club was left empty. The deed was turned over to the city in 1888, 
specifically to the organization later called the Chamber of Commerce. In 1936 the building was in need of serious repair, so, it was razed rather than saved.

If these paragraphs can be properly sourced and rewritten in an encyclopedic tone, then we should remove the redirect from Cheyenne Club and add them there. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 22:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

It is absurd to remove the part about the Cheyenne Club. It is a specific point of Cheyenne's history. Prove to me it is NOT Cheyenne's history???

[edit] Legnth of Article

This is an article about a state capitol, and it is one of the shortest ones on Wikipedia. Some smart ass decided that they were dictator and got to delete everything they didn't like- which was about half the article. There is plenty of deleted stuff that belonged in the article-PUT IT BACK!

I think something may be wrong with the article history, so it's hard to see what information you are talking about. I've asked at the Village Pump what might be going on. --barneca (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of 130 edits

This is actually a continuation of the section above, but I thought a dramatic section title might draw more eyes. According to the village pump link above (it gets archived frequently, so the thread, as I write this, looks like this (at the bottom of the page)), 130 edits between October 2006 and May 2007 were removed "due to copyright violations". My interpretation of this, which has not been confirmed or denied, is that someone probably added copyrighted material last fall, it didn't get taken off until late this May, and all intermediate edits, whether they related to the copyrighted material or not, just went down the memory hole. Anybody know if this is, indeed, what happened? Surely all 130 edits weren't copyvio's; any way to get access to those edits to separate the wheat from the chaff? --barneca (talk) 18:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Update: For those who care, User:Garion96, the admin who deleted the copyright violation and the (unfortunately) derivative works, has further explained on my talk page. Looks like those edits are permanently lost. --barneca (talk) 19:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Temperatures

The temperatures mean nothing to me and mean nothing to millions of people outside of the USA. Only the USA still uses fahrenheit as its main means of recording temperature. I know this article is about an American city but Wikipedia English is read by millions of people around the world - in English speaking countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and South Africa - and millions from other countries. Don't exclude the vast majority of people - please use celcius on Wikipedia articles or at least display both forms of measurement. 213.230.130.56 (talk) 00:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the source only uses Fahrenheit. Find a source that uses Celsius and we can use it. Nyttend (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Temperature is linear and there is an easy formula to convert between Celsius and Fahrenheit. Long story short, if you know one, you know the other. See also the {{convert}} template, which is your friend. I've gone ahead and made the conversions. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 17:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I could have done that reasonably...Nyttend (talk) 00:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)