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[edit] Look-a-like competition story
Im not sure this article says anything about a story that Charlie Chaplin once entered a 'Charlie Chaplin look-a-like competition' and came in third. I've read many places that this is true and just wondered if it was worth mentioning? Alcryt 14:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- Snopes confirms this story and offers some references, but I am unable to check them myself. Their coverage is at http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/chaplin2.asp. BlckKnght (talk) 10:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Communist Sympathies
I think the section on Chaplin's knighthood could be improved. Britain thought that knighting Chaplin would be controversial because the US thought that he was a communist. Some people believe that Chaplin was targeted as a communist because he made a movie humiliating Hitler (before the US joined the Allies) and because he married 16 year olds twice. Tkessler 04:45, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Do Communists ordinarily marry 16 year olds? Fishhead64 18:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
This is my first time writing on a wiki, so please excuse me if I am not doing this correctly.
I have a question. Does anyone know more about Chaplin's political thoughts? It seems to me that his films say a lot about what he thought about fascism and even capitalism.
lje - he was also seen as communist for is movie Modern Time (1936), that critisis the machines and work that can alienate the workers instead of helping them, that can be viewed as a K. Marx point of view. There is also a funny scene in this film where the character of charlie is in front of a demonstration, holding a red flag that he takes on the floor.
Monsieur Verdoux movie is also a criticism of the capitalism. Verdoux in the film kill middle-class women for money.
charles chaplin also supported the russian army during the 2nd war, and later received a price for his carrier from the ussr. He was at left in politic, and had lots of troubles with U.S. politicians and governement. He decideded to go back to europe after many lawsuit (they found a pretext with his marriage with his two young wife to attack him with lawsuit and weaken his popularity).
(excuse me for my english, i just wanted to reply, i've seen a documentary on C. Chaplin.)
Chaplin may have been a communist. At the time of 'The Great Dictator' (1930s, 1940s) such beliefs were commonplace amongst left-wing intellectuals, many of whom naively saw the Soviet Union as a potential utopia and as the anti-thesis to the hateful ideology of fascism. Many communist supporters did not realise the full extent of Stalinism's crimes against humanity. They also may have been blinded to the faults of Stalinism in reaction to the intensity of the anti-communist propaganda produced by fascists. Let's not forget that fascism was amongst the most evil of ideologies ever put into practice. Anybody who opposed this evil could easily have become a communist [communism in its purest form is a very attractive ideology which has been greatly tainted and undermined by its association with violent movements such as Marxism and Stalinism]. At the time Stalinist propaganda was much more readily accepted by many left-wing supporters, simply because the extent of Stalin's crimes were either not known or believed. Also the often violent reaction of extreme right-wing capitalists (e.g. Henry Ford) to attempts to improve the lot of the working classes helped to increase the polarisation of political views in this period. In brief, any intelligent person with a conscience, and a concern for fellow human beings, would have felt compelled to support communism in the years between WWI and WWII. This support would have been given in opposition to the evils of fascism and in ignorance of the evils of Stalinism. No pasaran! 85.210.26.131 02:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Mark Murray
- at no point did chaplin claim to belong to any political party. he called himself a "citizen of the world" i think he had interests in politics and that is why he met these political leaders. and of course when mcaurther came along people thought he was a communist for talking to chinas leader and russias leader. the idea for the great dictator spurred out of the war but Douglas Fairbanks commented that the tramp and hitler had the same moustache and it might be funny to have a movie about that. so thats where the idea sparked. if you fo to http://imdb.com/title/tt0032553/trivia theres a bunch of trivia on the film.
chaplin also said that had he known the true extent of Nazi atrocities, he "could not have made fun of their homicidal insanity".
Why was McCarthy mentioned in the article? McCarthy had nothing to do with him. The house went after Hollywood, not Senator McCarthy.
- Chaplin. Anti-capitalis, anti-fascist, pro-communist (what normal person wouldn't be?)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.117.157.7 (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Jewish Background?
It seems that many people are under the impression that charlie chaplin was of Jewish origin. There is no indication of this in the article, and I am merely curious whether this is indeed true. Does anybody out there know for sure? ~~Robberex
[edit] MIGHT be true =
Chaplin's first film was released in Feb 1914 and more followed on an almost weekly basis.
WW I doesn't start until the June 1914 shooting of Archduke Ferdinand and it's reasonable to say that any time for a year after that was still in the "outbreak". It seems Chaplin was widely known by 1915.
Still, it would be interesting to see the actual "criticisms" and their dates. Perhaps the basis for a Wikipedia article since the source material should be public domain by now.
I'm more curious about the statement that he "presented himself" for military service (in Britain?) at the time. How did he have time when he was making a new film every week in the USA? A round trip by sea to Britain would have taken too long. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.152.112.98 (talk) 22:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Joan Berry
I'm concerned that what has been written in regard to Joan Berry is not referenced and may not conform to wikipedia standards of accuracy and/or npov. In the section 'politics' that charges laid against him in this case are described as "serious criminal charges". To me this unfairly conforms to the view of Chaplin's critics. I've just finished reading Chaplin's first autobiography so I'm not exactly nuetral but I believe the charges were only of a civil nature not criminal and that to label thems serious may not be accurate as they were partially motivated by the political attacks against him. I believe this is an important issue to address as it was an event that had a considerable negative effect on his public image. Pugsworth 09:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it Berry or Barry? All sources that I've come across list her name as Barry. 63.207.25.194 23:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, I too have always seen her listed as Barry. I just changed it to Barry, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Barry seems to be slightly more popular than Berry on Google. Dblk (talk) 17:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Both of the cited articles published in Time (here and here) have her name spelled "Berry". I have changed the quotations in the refs to accurately reflect that spelling, but I have not changed the body of our article. Are there any reliable sources that use "Barry"? BlckKnght (talk) 18:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image
Should'nt be the first pic of Charlie Chaplin and not of Chaplin in costume as "The Tramp"? For example this image. --129.217.129.133 20:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sir Chaplin's first pic should be one with out any costumes. His face stands to be one of the most handsome ones ever in the history. Anil 01:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andy M. Wang (talk • contribs) 02:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Place of Birth
Is it East Street or East Lane? His autobiography states it as East Lane, unambiguously. Anil 01:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
According to a documentary, it is East Street. It may be incorrect. -- Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 02:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- In such matters there can never be a better proof than one's autobiography. So every documentary, other work etc., can be overlooked. Anil 01:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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- 'East Street' is the official designation of the road. However locals (still) refer to it as 'East Lane'. An analogous London example is Petticoat Lane, officialy designated 'Middlesex Street', though no local ever calls it that. A 'lane' in local London parlance indicates that a market is held there. This is true of both 'East Lane' and 'Petticoat Lane'. Colin4C 22:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mother's medical condition?
It says she had an oblatious condition in the larynx. So I wanted to give a link to what that means. There's nothing on wikipedia; I looked it up in various online dictionaries but couldn't find any reference to a medical condition by that name. Usually oblation means "to do with giving". Was it like spasms or something? Is this in any of the books about his life? --Bluejay Young 18:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- The whole paragraph in which the suspect word occurs looks seriously stupid:
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- An oblatious condition in the larynx ended their mother’s career as a singer and her first crisis was when she was performing "La Cantina" at the Aldershot theatre, mainly frequented by rioters and soldiers, one of the worst places to perform. Hannah was badly injured by the objects the audience mercilessly threw at her and she was booed off the stage. Backstage, she cried and argued with her manager. In the meantime, Chaplin went on stage alone and started singing a very well known tune at that time (Jack Jones).
- As indicated above, 'oblatious' seems to be a made-up word and the idea that Chaplin's mother was seriously injured by objects being thrown ('mercilessly' [!]) at her at a theatre is just a fantasy. My guess, is that the whole paragraph has been added by one of those bright sparks who want to make a mockery of the wikipedia. Colin4C 22:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I saw a film version of Chaplin's life from a few years ago in which the incident of Charlie covering for his mom in the rough theater was portrayed. Maybe the 'oblatious' author thought it really happened that way. --Bluejay Young 14:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Film template
I've done an overhaul of the film template here. More info on it's talk page. Lugnuts 19:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Charlie's Childhood
Is the entire biography drawn from the source listed at the end? I would be happy to continue copy editing if that is okay. Knowing the sources would help. Thanks. --Kenneth M Burke 01:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Older Picture
I think there should be a picture of Charlie Chaplin when he was older. I think a picture in 1970s would be perfect.
[edit] Religious Affiliation
I just reverted an assertion placed in the infobox (though not visible on the page???) that Chaplin was Jewish, the article text supports an agnostic view, as does this reference not currently listed in the article's references. - Nigosh 23:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Georgia Hale
The addition of Georgia Hale to the list of relationships is supported by at least 2 major sources: the documentary Unknown Chaplin (excerpts of which were included in the DVD documentary Chaplin Today: The Gold Rush) in which Hale discusses the relationship, and the fact she published an autobiography detailing her relationship with Chaplin. (I have said book on order from Amazon and will add chapter-and-verse citations once it arrives in a few weeks.) 23skidoo 04:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chaplin smoked little?
The "Death" section states: "Chaplin swam, played tennis, smoked little and seldom drank." (my emphasis) I've been seeing many early Chaplin shorts the past couple of days, and in all of them he smokes a cigarette or a pipe. Therefore a reference for this statement would not be out of order. Itayb 18:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, but that could have been for the play. More research is needed? --Bluejay Young (talk) 04:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Blind on one eye?
During the barber's final speech in "The Great Dictator", I had the impression that Chaplin's eyes were looking in two different directions. It's also visible here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CharlieChaplinDictator.jpg Could it be that Chaplin was blind on one eye, or otherwise visually impaired? Perhaps a note about this should go into the Trivia section. -- wr 87.139.81.19 11:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe it was a comedic aspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.24.13 (talk) 02:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
- Or amblyopia? It affects depth perception but doesn't affect ability to see. --Bluejay Young (talk) 04:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Niles
Niles, part of Fremont California, celebrates Chaplin days, and has a lot of Chaplin themed stuff. I'd hoped this article would state the conneciton. Mathiastck 23:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I think his wife list may have been falsified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.136.219.237 (talk) 06:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chaplin a part gypsy????
Is it really true, that chaplin had some gypsy-blood in his veins? That would make his eagerness and commitment in ridiculing Hitler as well as his always kicking cops' asses (in his movies) more understandable.
Yes. Gypsy/Romany blood is very common in South and East London among the Working Class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.29.28 (talk) 11:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
This page seemes to get vandalised a lot, shouldn't we concider locking this page? --Spiby (talk) 15:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Template deletion
Template:Charlie Chaplin has been nominated for deletion. Please have your say over here before this Wednesday. Esn (talk) 09:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "This is my song"
Chaplin's "This is my song"[1] and its success as a single is mentioned twice in the article. Is this strictly necessary? --CogES 14:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Caricature
I don't understand the significance of the caricature. It's not really helpful to the article and I think it should be considered for removal. Elephantissimo (talk) 01:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
