Talk:Ceres (dwarf planet)

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Parts subject to change: "Ceres (IPA /ˈsiːriz/, Latin: Cerēs), officially designated 1 Ceres, is the smallest dwarf planet in the Solar System and the only one located in the asteroid belt." - As the Dwarf Planet category may well have further bodies added to it, the assertation that it is "smallest" and "only one in the asteroid belt" may change over the next few years. Check these are still correct after any additions to the group.

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Contents 1 what's with the schwa? 2 Atmosphere 3 is its min surface temp unknown? 4 Radius? 5 Rename this article to 1 Ceres

[edit] what's with the schwa?

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Why /ˈsɪəriz/ rather than /ˈsɪriz/ ? The schwa doesn't belong there in any dialect with which I'm familiar. —Tamfang (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It's RP (British), and the transcription used by dictionaries such as Random House. Doesn't matter for Americans, but evidently does for people who distinguish serious from Sirius. (The OED doesn't include this particular word, but does have the schwa in the related cereal, as well as in Cereus.) kwami (talk) 00:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Huh. So is it three syllables in RP? —Tamfang (talk) 08:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's more of a diphthong. Personally, I'd've gone with transcribing it /ˈsiːriːz/, but that might just be because I speak GA. kwami (talk) 09:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

/ˈsiːriːz/ doesn't sound right to me in GA. —Tamfang (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Neither will, if we sound them out phonetically, because we don't make this distinction. I commonly see Americans writing the equivalent of /ˈsiriz/, though. kwami (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

We should not be indicating one, of the several, English pronouncations. The whole subject belongs in Wiktionary, not here; and we should not choose one national variety of English over others. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The whole point of the transcription is that it does not choose one national variety of English over others. It works equally well for RP, GA, Aus, NZ, and probably SA. (Indian and Irish English may be left out (possibly), but the system can be modified if it needs to be when we get input from speakers of those dialects.) kwami (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

As for the Latin, it's in the pronunciation section, so the macrons are required just as they are in any decent Latin dictionary. kwami (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

<--Let me throw a wrench in the works by asking if it shouldn't be "care ace", per correct Latin. Trekphiler (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Only if you're willing to take milk and orange juice with your care-ale. Serendi^podous 22:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

To which I can only reply, "Huh?" G. B. Shaw 15:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

As well you might; Serendipodous omitted a syllable from Latin cereale. —Tamfang (talk) 06:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Howie Schwa 18:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Atmosphere

Can anyone be more specific about the atmospheric pressure on the surface? -- Nergaal _{(moved from article to talk page by kheider)} —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kheider (talk • contribs) 22:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

If it is seasonal and barely detectable there should still be something like: the maximum pressure is ?? pascals, or the max pressure is 1/x of that of Earth; instead of the armosphere is tenous. Nergaal (talk) 00:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] is its min surface temp unknown?

If it is please write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.167.158 (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Radius?

There is no radius, no diameter, no surface area estimate. Accidental visitor.89.77.129.141 (talk) 15:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There are polar radius and equatorial radius. Ruslik (talk) 07:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename this article to 1 Ceres

according to this article, dwarf planets are now called "plutoids". As Ceres isn't included in this, I would to put forth a proposal to rename this article 1 Ceres. Tavix (talk) 02:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ceres, Pluto and Eris are still dwarf planets. "Plutoids" is new subcategory that exists in addition to "dwarf planet" for those dwarf planets outside Neptune. Dragons flight (talk) 02:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly - plutoids are a subset of the dwarf planet category, so Ceres is unaffected. With regards to the article title, the current scheme is based on a consensus derived from months of discussions, and is unlikely to change. --Ckatz^chat_spy 02:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)