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Contents 1 Slavs 2 baltic region 3 Maps (Yotvingians are not fully represented) 4 balts 5 Hello-but's absurdity 6 New Assessment Criteria for Ethnic Groups articles 7 Prussian language 8 Estonians

[edit] Slavs

Are Balts a slavic people? I always thought so, but this is not mentioned. Sylvain1972 17:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you thought wrong. It's a great insult to call a Balt slavic. And I'm also slightly insulted by your ignorance T. Marc-cius 10:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Dont be so insulted - we (Slavs) and you (Balts) are from the same Balto-Slavic family, so I dont know why should you be so insulted. He just thought wrong (you dont know everything too). Slavs and Balts are very close related but they are two different indo-european branches.

Balto-Slavic family is a myth. We aren't "very close related" and we haven't lived in the same territory after the proto-indoeuropean times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.199.126.2 (talk) 11:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] baltic region

if i'm looking at maps correctly, the baltic region appears to be in northeastern europe. eastern and southeastern europe are predominantly slavic.

[edit] Maps (Yotvingians are not fully represented)

Here is an usual map which shows Yotvingians to live more south by that time [1]; What are the sources to represent Yotvingians in a smaller territory in 1200? Dellijks 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] balts

Balts (German "Balten") are a group of people ,who live at the Baltic Sea . The Baltic Sea or Eastern Sea ("Ostsee") was earlier by Tacitus in 98 AD Agricola and Germania called Mare Suebicum after the Suebi.

The languages of the Balts , or [Baltic Languages]? are classified as [East Baltic]? and [West Baltic]?. The Baltic Germans (Balten-Deutsche) were forced out of their homelands in Lithuania, Latvia and Esthonia (earlier "Kurland, Livland, Lettland )by Stalin . They were either brought to Siberia , killed or escaped to the West, along with fifteen to eighteen million other ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe.

Some orphaned children of the German Balts and of neighboring Eastern Prussia were taken in and hidden from communist authorities . Stalin's military troups had overrun the Baltic lands and all of Eastern Europe, starting in winter 1944 .The Soviet Union occupied Lithuania ,Latvia and Esthonia for fifty years . After the fall of the Iron Curtain these children, called "Wolfskinder?" (children raised by wolfs) now are attempting to find out their identity .

Today only the Eastern Baltic countries are called Baltic States , because the Western Baltic country of Prussia has been dismembered by the Soviet Union, now Russia asOblast Kaliningrad.The larger part of West and East-Prussia is submerged into Poland. While millions of the inhabitants were killed or forced to leave ,some have been able to remain in their homeland of East or West Prussia, despited greatest hardships.In 1946/47 they received classification as "Autochthones" by the communist occupation Polish administration authorities.

The text above was removed by user:167.83.96.xxx saying "eliminated non relevant information".

1946 Prussia was NOT the Western Baltic Country!!! - it was one of the German Lands. Real Baltic Prussians were already germanizated by the German Teutonic Order (and later by Polish-Royal Prussia and German Prussia) till XVI-XVII century.

[edit] Hello-but's absurdity

"Editions" of Hello-but are total absurdity. Please provide sources. This user never provide sources. 85.206.192.188 13:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Zivinbudas, why are you logging in anonymously and why are you changing other users' names when addressing them ? Lysy 16:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As per your request I added the sources I used for the preparation of this article. I guess you can find more sources in Lithuanian in any decent library. Halibutt 15:53, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Since this is an English encyclopaedia, I suspect our readers would find sources/further reading in English more useful, if you could locate some; the 1911 Britannica is a start, but I expect the scholarship in it is seriously out-of-date by now. (As an added benefit, scholarship from more distant countries would be harder to dismiss as "Polish/{whatever} propoganda"..) Noel (talk) 17:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

At first I simply added the sources I used. I think I could find more English-language sources, but I can't check their credibility as they are outside of my reach. As to the Britannica article - indeed, at times it's simply funny and at times it's seriously flawed. Anyway, I'll see what I can do and post the results here. Halibutt 17:29, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Next time place all books on the topic from Google - it will be your "sources", joker, in jokers' wikipedia, sorry shitypedia. Zivinbudas 18:27, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, after a quick search through the amazon, I found a number of English-language books that might include some info on the topic.

1. Graham Smith (1994). The Baltic States: The National Self-Determination of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 0312120605. 
2. Robert Baltenius (1922). The Balts in the history of Esthonia. Baltischer Verlag u. Ostbuchhandlung. ASIN B0008AAHEQ. 
3. Marija Gimbutas (1963). The Balts. The Thames & H. ISBN 0500020302. 
4. Marija Gimbutas (2000). Balts (Ancient Peoples & Places series). International Thomson Publishing. ISBN 0275454703. 
5. Andrejs Plakans (1995). The Latvians: A Short History (Studies of Nationalities). Hoover Institution Press. ISBN 0817993029. 
6. Arnolds Spekke (1968). Balts and Slavs: Their early relations. Alpha Printing Co. ASIN B0007G5LW4. 
7. Vykintas Vaitkevicius (2004). Studies Into the Balts' Sacred Places. British Archaeological Reports. ISBN 1841713562. 
8. Algirdas Sabaliauskas (1993). We, the Balts. Science and Encyclopedia Publishers. ISBN 542001226X. 
9. Laurence Kitching (2004). Baltic Studies Indexes. Association for the Advancement of Baltic Studies. ISBN 096249061X. 
10. Norbertas Velius (1989). The world outlook of the ancient Balts. Mintis Publishers. ISBN 5417000272. 
11. Danuta Jaskanis (1981). The Balts, the northern neighbours of the Slavs. State Archaeological Museum in Warsaw. ASIN B0006EFPW8. 
12. Joseph Ehret (1974). The forgotten Balts. Lithuanian American Council. ASIN B00073DZ2K. 
13. Omeljan Pritsak (1982). Viking relations with the Southeastern Baltic/Northwestern Russia. Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University. ASIN B00070HXD0. 
14. Kevin O'Connor (2003). The History of the Baltic States. Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313323550. 
15. Charles J. Kersten (1972 (reprint)). Baltic States: A Study of Their Origin and National Development. William S Hein & Co. ISBN 0930342410. 
16. Endre Bojtar (2000). Foreword to the Past: A Cultural History of the Baltic People. Central European University Press. ISBN 9639116424. 
17. Robert H. Davis (1994). Slavic and Baltic Library Resources at the New York Public Library: A First History and Practical Guide. New York Public Library. ISBN 0871044382. 
18. International Medieval Congress (2001). Crusade and Conversion on the Baltic Frontier 1150-1500. Ashgate Pub Ltd. ISBN 0754603253. 
19. Oscar Halecki, Andrew L. Simon (2001). Borderlands of Western Civilization: A History of East Central Europe. Simon Publications. ISBN 096657348X. 
20. Adriane Ruggiero (1998). The Baltic Countries--Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Dillon Pr. ISBN 0382395387. 
21. Alfred Bilmanis (1948). The problem of the Baltic in historical perspective. ?. ASIN B0007JJD84. 
22. World Archaeological Congress (1997). From the Baltic to the Black Sea: Studies in Medieval Archaeology. Routledge. ISBN 0415152259. 

As I said, I don't know which of those really describe the history of the Balts, neither can I check their credibility. Halibutt 18:17, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

With exeption of one book (Irena Čepienė; which of course this polish nationalist didn't use) and non actual Encyclopedia Britanica from 1911 (why not from 1677) other his "sources" are only polish rubbish. So those are any sources. Zivinbudas 17:08, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Prussian language

"as well as the Prussians, Yotvingians and Galindians, whose languages and cultures became extinct in the Middle Ages." The article about Prussians states that their language became extinct "by the 17th century". This vague expression implies that there may have still been some speakers in the 1500s, or anytime until 1601. Well, if there were speakers of the Prussian language in the 1500s, then it didn't become extinct during the Middle Ages, because the Middle Ages had already ended by that time. -86.133.247.156 14:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

They became extinct in middle of 17th century as far as I know, you're right, it isn't middle ages (and I'm also not sure if other nations became extinct during middle ages). Therefore I removed the part of text saying it was in middle ages---- Xil/talk 18:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Estonians

In spight of the chance of getting ridiculed by a certain someone on here, I always thought that Estonians were included in the Baltic peoples, or am I getting that confused because it's considered apart of the Baltic region? Estonians are in fact Finnic correct? JanderVK (talk) 09:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

That is correct. Estonians aren't balts they are finno-ugric (like Finnish and Hungarian), but Estonia belongs to the three Baltic States. --88.222.81.179 (talk) 07:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)