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An individual covered by or significantly related to this article, Asia Carrera, has edited Wikipedia as aconline (talk · contribs)

This article was nominated for deletion on 18/4/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Vandalism? 2 Retired now 3 She made her own site 4 Japanese 5 Privacy 6 IQ Claims 7 Stuyvesant High School 8 Mensa membership? 9 Reliable sources? 10 What's being disuputed? 11 An article about her addiction to UT 12 Non-factual statement 13 Computer nerd 14 Classical Piano Background 15 About the life-insurance 16 Weight 17 No way she has a 156 IQ

[edit] Vandalism?

Vandalism or not Vandalism?this reveted page is a contraversial thing is listing her films vandalism? or is it too explict to put on. - fonzy

ii loked at the previous older version, and i can "guess" that if more are aded it is too explict. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.7.108.113 (talk) 14:55, 2 December 2002

Although it is not vandalism, comments about the Russell case are not beneficial to Asia Carrera and should not be posted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billpick (talk • contribs) 10:49, January 20, 2007 (UTC)

"Not beneficial"??? When Asia herself on her bulletins page explicitly pointed out the newspaper article about the case which had her comments in it? Let me quote from her post on 12/2/06 found here:

"P.S. If you're bored, you can read a newspaper story about a secret porn shoppe that got busted here in Utah. They came to me for commentary, my stuff's at the bottom."

'Nuff said in my book. Tabercil 18:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retired now

Asia is now retired. 6 February 2004 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.235.254 (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2004

According to her website, she's sort of "unretired" now, although she's doing producing and directing more than performing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrathchild-K (talk • contribs) 17:30, 25 August 2005

[edit] She made her own site

...and it looks like the site I made on geocities when I was in seventh grade. Hilarious. --Smooth Henry 05:17, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Some ass keeps reverting my addition that her self-made webpages return hundreds of errors upon W3C markup validation. I'm sick of reverting it back, and I don't want this to turn into an edit conflict for something so trivial. Regardless of whether you think it should belong in the article, as the Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, it wouldn't hurt to have too much information, especially factual, relevant information supported by external sources. --Markl222 Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Please try to behave and don't call a fellow wikipedian for "ass". Regarding the number of W3C errors on her website: I don't think it belongs in an article about an adult actress just as I don't think it belongs in articles on lots of other people and websites. You probably know that almost all websites (at least the majority) will return lots of errors of this kind, so it is not anything special. And by mentioning it in this article you will give the reader who don't know about this stuff the impression that Asia Carrera is just an ignorant fool, while it's really not a big deal. Try running it on www.yahoo.com, for instance, or cnn.com Shanes 08:28, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I heard rumors that Asia Carrera designed cnn.com herself. Is that true? --Smooth Henry 22:29, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)

Why is it relevant that her site isn't W3C compliant? It's not a commercial site, it's her own personal homepage, and I doubt she cares whether it's accessible outside of the normal realm of browsing. Anyone who knows enough to know about the W3C guidelines should know why web designers use them and when it's really appropriate. It is not just some arbitrary thing used to show off our "coding skills." And her site was authored in 96. It's not a surprise that the graphics and layout seem dated now. 202.61.229.2 (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Umm. . .The Medal of Freedom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.21.218 (talk) 16:55, 25 August 2005

No, I guess not. Neither [1] nor [2] list her. Taking it out. Al 21:30, August 25, 2005 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrathchild-K (talk • contribs) 17:30, 25 August 2005 (not User:Aeverett

[edit] Japanese

if her dad is japanese, why is her surname stenhauser? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doriandixon (talk • contribs) 07:06, 22 September 2005

because it's quite POSSIBLE her parents were not married and she took her mother's maiden name .... or maybe they divorced and she took her mother's maiden ... or any number of possible reasons.

Does it really matter?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.149.157 (talk) 16:46, 29 October 2005

It's curious, because on her site she talks about how strict and traditional both of her parents were. As for whether it "matters"...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.227.65 (talk) 20:07, 31 October 2005

her father was adopted, this is why he has a Western last name. it's not her mother's maiden name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.106.138 (talk) 17:44, 19 December 2005

another possibility. her dad is german, mum is japanese —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doriandixon (talk • contribs) 19:31, 23 December 2005

No, it says right on her site that her father is Japanese and her mother is German. http://asiacarrera.com/bio2.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.227.65 (talk) 16:00, 30 December 2005

and we all know that everything that comes from websites is 100% true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doriandixon (talk • contribs) 04:26, 31 December 2005

Her dad was adopted by an American soldier after WW II and he was raised here, hence the name.

No, it says right on her site that her father is "GERMAN" and her mother is "JAPANESE" Hence the name.

Actually no, it doesn't. I'm not sure what site that you're reading, but Asia's site states "My father was born in Japan, and my mother was born in Germany." Source: http://www.asiacarrera.com/bio2.html --Klaatuprime 08:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Privacy

Why is her real name on here at all? Porn stars attempt to keep that information secret for good reason. Why is Wikipedia in the business of exposing them to potential harm?

Indeed, WP:BLP#Presumption in favor of privacy seems to me to lean in favor of keeping her identity private. Though it's not entirely clear.

But the same name is given in IMDB; how it got there, I don't know, but I guess that makes it public information (unless and until they take it down). Question is can we trust IMDB for accuracy on this matter?

[edit] IQ Claims

She claims to have had her IQ tested at 155 ... and is a member of Mensa, the only one to have worked as an adult actress.

I find claim to be highly suspect. While I'm more than ready to grant that she is remarkably intelligent, quite possibly smart enough to be in Mensa, an IQ of 155 (156 in the linked article) is astronomically high; so high in fact that would make her considerably more intelligent than the overwhelming majority of Mensa members--Mensa membership begins at IQ 130. Moreover it is extremely difficult to test IQs accurately over 150, making a 156 claim highly questionable.

What I think is quite probable is that she has scored 156 on an online "IQ test" or one printed in a magazine, which is of course not what is considered a legitimate IQ test in the scientific community. If this is true, however, then her claim of Mensa membership must be called into question since they have strict standards on which tests are acceptable.

However since the claims presented in the article have an external source and I only have doubts about the extreme unlikelihood of the claim (especially given that it has been known for even mainstream actresses such as Sharon Stone to lie about being Mensa members), I don't know what changes can be made. But I did want to voice my doubts about the article's claims (and her presence on List of Mensa International members). --Marlow4 21:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Mensa doesn't allow online IQ tests as their basis for joining. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stufff (talk • contribs).

Nope, we don't. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 13:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

We're an encyclopedia and should only state documented things. Regarding the 155 IQ, I believe we're safe since the "She claims to have had" is acurate (she claims it on her website (or 156, should maybe change it)). And if anyone wants to question her claim we'd need to come up with an authorative source questioning it. (You or me questioning it is not enough (original research)). But I think the "She claims" thing is fine and can stay. Whether or not she is a member of Mensa is hard to document. I'm tempted to include it under the "claim" word here too, which is true and then we wouldn't need to document it further.

About the List of Mensa International members, I didn't know about it and I'm tempted to put the whole list up for deletion or renaming. I seriously doubt it's possible to document the membership of most of the people listed there. So many lists like this have been rejected on afd since they are mostly based on rumours and undocumented heresay. Either rename it to "List of people claimed to be Mensa-members" or police a strict "documentation needed" to have anyone included. But that debate is offtopic here, run it on talk:List of Mensa International members, and/or just put it up for deletion. Shanes 21:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Good advice; as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mensa International members the list in question was deleted. --Marlow4 09:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

As an FYI, the American Mensa magazine sometime last year (I no longer have the issue) included a list of famous Mensans, including Asia Carrera. Also, the score of an IQ is only relevant if you know the scale. The 98th percentile on the Stanford Binet test may be around 131 or so, but on a different test (and scale) the 98th percentile maybe 150. Stating you have an IQ of XYZ is irrelevant if you do not qualify it with the scale. Dbnull 22:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Arguing about which IQ test gives the most accurate measure of intelligence is about as sensible as arguing about which version of phrenology is most reliable -- GWO

I believe he was trying to justify putting which scale the score of 156 is attributed to. I don't think he was trying for a debate over which was reliable. Scales are very useful as they provide accurate measurement. -M

If Asia Carrera's IQ is 155 then I am Albert Einstein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubblysoaps (talk • contribs) 20:01, 9 December 2005

I have a friend who recently got into Mensa and according to their standards, the minimum IQ to join (which is also their definition of Genius) is 150. So according to that scale an IQ of 155 isn't unreasonable.

This isn't really the place to debate Mensa's rules (go see Mensa International instead). But to quiet the conversation down, here's the actual rule: You have to score within the top 2% of an approved standardized intelligence test. Depending on the test and its circumstances, the actual minimum number can vary. According to the Mensa International article, Mensa recently admitted a 3-year-old with a measured IQ of 137, which of course is way off the charts for his age group. RossPatterson 00:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm a member of Mensa UK, which uses the Cattell tests. I believe Mensa USA also uses them. Cattell has a standard deviation of 24, while most other IQ tests have a standard deviation of 15 or 16. The qualifying score for Mensa membership is 148, which is equivalent to an IQ of 130 or 132 on other tests. Asia Carrera's claimed IQ of 155 is equivalent to an IQ of 134 or 137 on other tests. It places her IQ just on the boundary of the 99th percentile, i.e. above 99% of the US population. There's nothing unlikely about her having an IQ at that level. Simon d 22:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stuyvesant High School

Does anyone out there remember Jessica Steinhauser from Stuyvesant? If so, was she one of the students who really lived in New Jersey but used a fake address to get themselves admitted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.151.73.226 (talk) 19:29, 23 December 2005

According to her Website **Warning: Adult Content**(www.asiacarrera.com/bio.html) she went to the High School for the Performing Arts. As a Stuy alum, I must admit I'm somewhat dissapointed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.245.199.202 (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2006

The actual text from the website says

Education - Attended performing arts high school (emphasis on instrumental music and visual arts), National Merit Scholarship Winner (for 1440 on SAT's), and Garden State Scholar (for nerdly grades). Attended Rutgers University on full academic scholarship, with a double-major in Business and Japanese.

so it's not clear that it's High School for the Performing Arts (the web site is pretty careful about proper nouns and capitalization on this page, there are other such schools outside NYC, and she's a (NJ) Garden State Scholar, not a (NY) Regents Scholarship winner), but it is clear that she didn't go to Stuyvesant. RossPatterson 00:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mensa membership?

Several comments on the Mensa membership thread of this discussion...

I was once a Mensa member myself, and I know from having met and partied with many othe Mensans that Mensa is a group of people who know how to take an IQ test. That is about all they have in common. There are highly knowledgeable technical people as well as those whose VCRs flash 12:00 (the older ones, before they set the time automatically). So it would not surprise me that Ms. Carrera is indeed a Mensa member, nor would it surprise me that she might not be expert at building a Web site.

Also, anyone who is a Mensa member is entitled to the name and address of any other Mensa member. (I asked for Geena Davis's information when I wrote an essay about an article in which she mentioned her Mensa membership. I wanted to send her a copy.) So, maybe a member can ask for her information if only to confirm that she is in fact a member. You will probably just get an agent's address, as I did for Ms. Davis, but at least it can be verified.

Thanks for letting me put my two cents in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.62.107.57 (talk) 11:39, 27 December 2005

I thought that MENSA was like the Mafia, you join and you can't get out. This (anonymous) poster is indeed an anomoly. :) Hey, you know, maybe you should re-join and obtain the information on whether Asia truly is/was a member of MENSA. Take one for the team, dude! -- Jalabi99 04:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's a scan of her writeup in the Mensan magazine. http://www.asiacarrera.com/picture/mensawriteup.jpg For the record, Mensa isn't exactly all that difficult to get into. --Klaatuprime 08:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Google for "Asia Carrera mensa". You get over 30 000 hits. Concidering the exposure this claim has gotten... and the lack a denial from Mensa that she would be a member, shouldn't that qualify as a good enough reason for letting the claim be regarded as true? Or is it just that people cannot stommach that a porn star is smart? --J-Star 13:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

People have a lot of stereotypes about people, and the stereotype that all porn stars are stupid is one of them (vide Boogie Nights). When people hear about something that contradicts their stereotypes, their reaction is often disbelief. Secondly, people expect highly intelligent people to be in occupations that require high intelligence, although in reality that is often not the case. Thirdly, many people look down on people who work in pornography, and the reverse halo effect, the "horns effect", applies so that they are reluctant to believe anything positive about them. --Simon d 22:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

This is an interesting fact. It should be added to the article.--24.15.10.239 07:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

• It is. Last line in the "Early life and education" section: "She won a full academic scholarship to Rutgers University and is a member of Mensa." (emphasis added) Tabercil 15:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable sources?

I have no way of knowing if the biographical data in this article are true, and in fact, I have doubts about most of it. I've put up a "disputed" template until someone can find some reliable sources. Erik the Rude 22:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well the Unreal skins info is easy to validate: just check megabitchgoddess.com where Asia has the various skins she's created available. Tabercil 23:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a citation for the Stuyvesant item. I just checked her official web site, and it says:

Attended performing arts high school (emphasis on instrumental music and visual arts), National Merit Scholarship Winner (for 1440 on SAT's), and Garden State Scholar (for nerdly grades).

Given all the other proper nouns, I assume "performing arts high school" doesn't mean NYC's Performing Arts High School, and it certainly doesn't mean Stuyvesant (math/science, on the other hand ...). Also you can't get a Garden State Scholarship from a school outside NJ. RossPatterson 01:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Most of the biographical information matches Carrera's website (except the Stuyvesant item). If you're accusing her of lying about her background, you should be explicit about that, including the items in question. As to the Mensa claim, it's there too, and short of asking a Mensan to check it out, I don't believe you can find out. RossPatterson 01:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Ms. Carrera's Mensa claim is consistent with her claim that she was awarded a full scholarship by Rutgers University. Mensa accepts SAT scores to qualify. On the SAT scale used in the 1990s, I believe a score of 1250 would qualify for Mensa, indicating an intelligence quotient in the 98th percentile. Her score likely was much higher to earn a full scholarship from Rutgers.

Sweet! I got a 1280 in 92. Unfortunately, I also put up a website full of HTML4.01 errors, so I'm back to square one with all the other plebes. 75.7.58.246 21:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's being disuputed?

What part is it that people are unsure is true?

[edit] An article about her addiction to UT

She not just running her website (which is a nice move for someone who needs self management) but she is a real die-hard UT fan.

http://www.pro-hl.com/asia_carrera_interview.shtml

[edit] Non-factual statement

"She has mentioned reading several books about it and views death (and perhaps aging) to be an awful end to human existence, perhaps fearing it to some extent as many non-religious thinkers do."

I know of no factual evidence that could support this claim that non-relgiious people fear death more. As an Atheist, I can tell you that I don't fear death. NorthernThunder 00:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Computer nerd

If she indeed were a computer nerd, dont you think she would have editted this page herself and gave answers to all dilemmas?

What? And fall afoul of the Wikipedia policy against autobiography? Tabercil 21:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Why assume that she's heard of Wikipedia? Many people haven't. Also, why assume that she ego-surfs? Dismas|^(talk) 21:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

The WP:AUTO policy is not a totally shut door about meddling with articles about yourself. However her status as a "computer nerd" is a subjective self-assessment and thus not really encylopedic material unless written as "She is a self-described computer nerd". --J-Star 07:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

She's aware of this page and has made the statement "I'm retired and I don't care".--Klaatuprime 06:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classical Piano Background

Why is that the title of the first heading but it mentions nothing about her piano???

The text probably got deleted some time back by another editor ... I changed the heading to "Early life and education". —141.156.240.102 06:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the life-insurance

I would like to remind everyone about the Wikipedia Policy on Biographies of Living Persons: WP:BLP.

Get it right or hold your piece. --J-Star 10:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weight

I'm dubious about the listed weight of 110 lbs. With a height of 5' 8.5", this would put her BMI at around 16.5, well into the underweight category. Just from her pictures, she is clearly not that thin. Where did that number even come from? It is not on her site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.14.40 (talk) 23:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Not only that but since she retired she has by her own admission on her Bulletin Page gained weight. Whatever number is here, it is most certainly outdated. --J-Star (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No way she has a 156 IQ

How exactly does her life reflect her IQ? I think she is lying about it. She's lived the life of a perfect idiot, but not a lucky one like Forrest Gump.216.184.125.170 (talk)

Ah, so a porn star cannot be smart? According to who? You, and your preconceptions about adult models? Get your head out of whatever dark bag you have stuck it into and say hello to the 21st century, a time where prejudice, myths and preconceptions has no place.

Asia has repeated stated that her life as an adult model/actress was a very happy one. In fact, it was when she got married and lost her husband that she had a very unhappy period and said that had she known all that would have happened, she probably would have chosen to not quit doing porn. You can read it yourself at her bulletin page(s) Here you go, look up the bulletin for 2/21. --J-Star (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)