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How can the Angevins be the same thing as the Plantaganets-any more than than the Plantaganets were the same as the Yorkists. Yes, all Plataganets but it doesn't make them the same thing. -Adrian

I strongly agree. Angevin and Plantagenet are clearly NOT the same subject. Plantagenet is most notable in that it refers to an English royal dynasty descended from a single individual. These should be separate articles.

• Well, as far as I remember, Plantagenets is a nickname for the Angevin Kings and I've never heard of it applied to Yorkist and Lancastrian branches, if you did please point it out. Matthieu 17:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Descendents of Edward IV and Henry VII 2 vowels 3 Anjou and Angers 4 the arms

[edit] Descendents of Edward IV and Henry VII

What sort of social rank would one have to bear in their family, in order to be a descendent of either?

How far up the totem pole, would you say?

This is intended to have broad answers and based on gradients of time and population, not going into specifics about exact descendents. About how common is their descent in the English or British genepool today?

I've noticed that American Presidents don't descend from either king, but the most common recent royal ancestor shared by many of us is Edward III. How common is it for anybody in the English or British genepool, to have a Protestant royal ancestor?

There is a general cutoff, isn't there?

Is it because of fratricide in the Wars of the Roses, the Tudors' "new men", or the Union of the Crowns, or the parliamentary union under Queen Anne (I can't think of any non-royal family descent from the Hanoverians within the UK)?

I'm thinking that there is a big difference between Plantagenet and Tudor descents, that the commons in all likelihood have the former and the latter is held by the lords. (just generally speaking) Then again, Tudor descent in the Welsh must be higher in general. I am further curious about pre-Royal Tudor blood in Anglo-British people today, since the status and/or concept of Welsh royalty/nobility is rather hazy in my mind. I found the Blevins aka Ap Bleddyn family of Powys in my ancestry, but have no real idea on what to make of it--or any other Welsh "native aristocracy". I might be able to find Stewart descent somewhere, from way back when. What percentage of Hanoverian background do you think that German colonists had in America?

On the British side, I have to go as far back as Welf himself...but any recent genetic relationship with the Hanoverians or the counts of Nassau are completely obscure. How does one research those other colonial people, such as the Hessians?

UK genealogy is relatively easy when focusing on English (and French) ancestries. What would a "national person" of Jerusalem (or Antioch, for example) in Crusader times be known as?

We say "American" for those Founders, but was there such a nationality-term for the Crusaders in their own domains?

I guess the term is supposed to be Levantine/Outremer, or "Crusader" as our national heritage says "Colonist"...

IP Address 12:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vowels

I changed "[ˈæn.dʒə.vən]" to "[ˈæn.dʒɛ.vɪn]". If your dialect reduces unstressed vowels to a uniform schwa, no harm done, you'll pronounce it the same either way. —Tamfang 21:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Aeusoes1 wasn't convinced by that argument, or perhaps has a stronger argument supporting schwa. I turned to my dictionaries. In French it's /ãʒəvẽ/, but one English dictionary (Webster's New International 2d ed.) shows the same vowel for the middle syllable as in the first syllable of event. —Tamfang 04:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

While on the subject of pronounciation, I'd much appreciate it if somebody could add the IPA for Plantagenet. --Turbothy 19:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anjou and Angers

I added in the very first part of the article that it refers to the resident of Anjou and Angers. Which was missing.

[edit] the arms

Somewhere (possibly only in French Wikipédie) there is a chart of the coats of arms used by Capetian cadets, but I can't remember what it's called. That's where I'd look for the arms of the first house of Anjou (kings of Naples). —Tamfang 17:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)