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[edit] Expanding this section
RollingStone122 22:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on expanding this section right now...if anyone has any suggestions, tips, help, etc. I'd love to hear (or, actually, read) it. I need to find some good sources, not just translations of the Amores but actual commentary/analysis on the work.
McKeown's commentary (so far, on the first two books) is great; Barbara Weiden Boyd's book (Ovid's Literary Loves) has a very high reputation, though I personally don't know it. And the Cambridge Companion to Ovid includes several useful articles, with very thorough bibliographies. Also, where does the claim that they were published in sixteen BC come from? The usual range is from some time in the twenties (In Tristia 4.10, O says he started writing when he first began to grow a beard) to 2 CE (since one of the Amores seems to refer to the Ars Am., which is dated to then).
[edit] Tibellus or Tibullus?
Early in the article there's a mention of a "Tibullus", a Latin poet. Later in the article it talks about a Tibellus: "the elegy on Tibellus' death". Is this a typo, actually referring to Tibullus, or is Tibellus an entirely different person? I seem to remember something in the Amores about the poet's brother dying, although the more I think about it the more I think that was Catullus. Can anybody help me out?
Tibullus is Tibullus is Tibullus - there is no known 'Tibellus' to speak of. "The elegy on Tibullus's death" refers to Am. 3.9. I do not believe Ovid makes reference in the Am. to his brother's death — though his only brother did die when Ovid was 19, it is Catullus who notably composed a number of poems on his brother's death: namely 65 and 101. From the latter comes the famous ending line atque in perpetuum, frater, ave atque vale (“and on into eternity: hello, my brother, and goodbye.” Shug2304 11:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Allusion
To say "However, the Amores could also be considered a mock epic." entirely misses the point of the joke. There is no way that it can be considered a mock epic: it is in elegaic couplets, Ovid states that he will put aside epic for elegy and that he will write love poems. The clever beginning to I.I is just one of Ovid's many allusions to past or contemporary authors. And even if all of this were questionable, I'd like to see a citation for the comment in the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.160.86 (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
