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Contents 1 Merge 2 I like how you "remove offensive wording" everywhere, Kassem. 3 Saddam Hussein 4 two articles about the same topic 5 Spam 6 Merging 7 Figures 8 Only one side of the story 9 Question 10 Sign your posts! 11 References 12 Can we have articles at least on Sultan Hashem Ahmed and Hussein Rashid Mohammed?

[edit] Merge

This page should probably be merged with ANFAL, but I don't know enough about the subject to say which name it should be merged under. My guess would be this one, though. Anyone? --Xanzzibar 23:02, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, merge them. - FrancisTyers 20:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The articles should definitely be merged in some way, but like Xanzzibar, I don't know enough about the subject matter to say anything about the articles name or content. Comment: The 1988 Anfal campaign article appears to be about a particular episode within the timeframe dealt with in the Al-Anfal Campaign article. --Dengo 09:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

They should be merged. They're both technically the same thing.

-- Some guy

Ok, they've been merged (finally). I merged into this page, because it's more general. I don't think any information was lost during the transfer, but I did remove a lot of the redundancies between the two articles, smoothed things out, and reorganized everything into what seemed the most logical division. This is still a very messy article though, about a very important topic, which should be smoothed out - paying specific attention to sources, which are scattered all over the place. --Jackson 05:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I like how you "remove offensive wording" everywhere, Kassem.

Then invoke NPOV under false pretenses, while changing words like "expel" to "relocate." Again, you will cease this deliberate editing of NPOV wording into Wikipedia articles, or I will personally take you before mediation and/or arbitration.

[edit] Saddam Hussein

I'm not sure "Hussein" should be used wherever his name stands alone. See here Avalon 23:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] two articles about the same topic

hi, there is a second article about the anfal campain with the name 1988 Anfal campaign. can anyone put these two articles together? KureCewlik81 15:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• There were actually several phases to the Anfal Campaign, which took place between 1986 and 1989... I have read that the events of 1988 were the most deadly during the campaign Garr1984 04:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)§

[edit] Spam

I found this under 'See Also'

carly is a butt face... why are we able to edit these sources... it makes them unreliable.... duhhhh

I removed it.

[edit] Merging

This topic should be merged with the other respective article, the 1988 Anfal Campaign article. This one has some good stats, but I think the other article presents some good facts that will help show the true nature of this genocide. Unfortunately, I can't do this myself as I'm rather terrible in merging topics.MercZ 23:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Figures

This section should be reviewed and updated with better verifiable facts. I just did a quick check of a source and revised the number of churches destroyed during this campaign. I also checked a few other sources that ought to be replaced by better/more trustworthy sources. fno 07:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only one side of the story

This article, and the other similar article, only quotes sources from the Kurdish side of the story. What is the context of these killings? How do the Ba'athists explain themselves when questioned on this topic??--84.12.185.56 09:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• I know that at Saddam Hussein's Arraignment, he said regarding the Anfal Campaign and more specifically the poison gas attack on Halabja, that he had "Heard about it" but had no further knowledge of it. I also know that there is an audio tape that has Chemical Ali talking about killing the kurds, saying, and I quote: "We will kill them all. We will kill them with chemical weapons. Who is going to do anything about it? The International Community?!? Fuck Them! Fuck Them And All Who Listen To Them!!! I will not attack them with chemicals just one day, but I will continue to attack them with chemicals for fifteen days." " and Saddam's voice can be heard on the tape saying something along the lines of "Yes, The Poison is Very Effective". I also know that, at any rate, Saddam thought the Kurds were in league with Iraq's Enemies, namely Iran, but I don't know how best to integrate this information into the article, or if it's even a good idea to do so. Garr1984 15:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)§

• Yes there is no context here whatsoever. Saddam Hussein acted within the context of an open rebellion against the central government in Baghdad. A better comparison would be what General Sherman did to the South during the American Civil War, rather than the Nazis' extermination of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.80.193.9 (talk) 15:17, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I noticed a link at the bottom of the page to the Halabja massacre. Does the Al-Anfal campaign include the Halabja massacre or is it entirely separate?

Part of the Anfal I. [1] --HanzoHattori 11:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC) anwser

Halabja was during the Iran Iraq war, Halabja was a scene of battle not part of An-Fal.

There are true evidences that more than 182 000 innocent Kurdish (Kurdistanian) men, women and children were buried alive in the brutal Anfal-campaign that Saddam's dictatorship made in the (Southern) Kurdistan (in Iraq). More than 4500 villages were levelled with the ground - it is simple a GENOCIDE against the KURDISTANIAN people, who are the Kurds, the Turkomen and the Assyrians.

• History only tells one side of the story... the story they want us to hear... the fact of the matter is that these people were conspiring or at least sympathizing with Iraq's enemies, namely Iran, and Iran was also our enemy at the time. I am not saying that they had it coming, or that it was right for Saddam to commit these atrocities, it was not. It just seems to me that violence is all these people will ever understand... It it even foretold in the bible that as the descendants of Ishmael, Arabs would not be able to get with the descendants of Isaac (Christians and Jews), and that prophecy fulfills itself all over again on a daily basis. They can't even get along with each other. Garr1984 14:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)§

[edit] Sign your posts!

Too many people aren't signing their posts here. Discussion is important on articles such as this due to its controversal nature. You can't hide your identity by not signing because people will just dig you out of the history, so just sign your posts please to facilitate easier discussion and make your points appear more valid. Thanks SGGH ^speak! 11:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

dig you out of history? if that is meant to b a joke it aint funny, mate. Jalal.

Er... no it isn't meant to be a joke... it means users will just look in the page history to see who placed the comment, it just saves time and effort if you sign your posts rather than forcing me to look into the history to discover that you are User:Jalalhusseinbradford, use ~~~~, thanks. SGGH ^speak! 19:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

There's a complete lack of references on this page. For something claiming to be a genocide of 182,000 human beings I'd expect a whole lot more than two references. 211.30.73.30 15:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not a claim, Mr. Taliban Supporter from Sydney :). It has been documented extensively by the Human Rights Watch.Heja Helweda 01:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The anfal-camoaign destroyed more than 5,000 kurdish villiages across southern Kurdistan and more than 182,000 civilian Kurds have been buried alive in huge massgraves in southern Iraq, were the graves have been till today not been found.

Actually many graves were located. Such as this: [2] --HanzoHattori 15:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can we have articles at least on Sultan Hashem Ahmed and Hussein Rashid Mohammed?

--HanzoHattori 20:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)