Talk:Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia

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Reviewed version: March 15, 2008
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[edit] Motto

With the lack of a thoroughly researched section or sub-article dedicated solely to the many phrases that have been adopted as mottos by Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia over the years, I would propose that “Among Men Harmony” be the only phrase referred to as a fraternity motto on this page for the following reasons:

  • A motto is defined as “a short sentence or phrase chosen as encapsulating the beliefs or ideals guiding an individual, family, or institution” (Mac OS X onboard dictionary), of which “Among Men Harmony” is a perfect example given its brevity and the background found at http://www.sinfonia.org/Resources/VSManual.pdf that relates the phrase to the fraternity’s ideals.
  • A quick glance at the mottos of other fraternities at the List of fraternity and sorority mottos page will show that the phrase “Among Men Harmony” is similar to the vast majority of mottos listed with regards to its length and scope.
  • While the phrase “Once A Sinfonian, Always a Sinfonian!” is identified in a handful of official fraternity documents as a motto of the fraternity, it is not identified in current recruitment materials as such. Furthermore, it fails to communicate any guiding principals other than loyalty to the organization itself. [Note that this argument does not support the elimination of the phrase “Once A Sinfonian, Always a Sinfonian!” from the article, but only advocates that it not be referred to as a motto.]

Michael07lu (talk) 01:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

"Once a Sinfonian, Always a Sinfonian" is on the National website, and a large chunk of recruitment and almuni materials. While not an official motto anymore, it does reflect the Fraternity's attitude towards almuni relations and the understanding that becoming a member ideally means involvement in some form or another for life. Mister Senseless™ (Speak - Contributions) 17:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't dispute the current use and meaning of the phrase, and as I stated before I don't believe that it should be banned from use in the article. My only concern is that referring to it as a motto of the Fraternity or, as has been previously stated in the article, THE motto of the Fraternity (emphasis added) creates confusion. In fairness, I will yield the point that "Among Men Harmony" has not been identified by the Fraternity or its National Executive Committee as a "motto" either; instead, it is referred to as a "positioning statement" when discussed as an element of the Fraternity's visual identity (see http://www.sinfonia.org/Resources/VSManual.pdf). Thus, there really is no singular statement that may be identified as THE motto of the Fraternity, but for the reasons I already outlined I feel that "Among Men Harmony" is the best candidate for such a designation in the article considering the strategic direction of the organization as outlined at http://www.sinfonia.org/strategicplan/v1-0.pdf Michael07lu (talk) 01:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The current revision does not cite OAS AAS as a moto. Mister Senseless™ (Speak - Contributions) 01:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revision Information

The recent change of information is incorrect in reference to the following:

  • When referencing the specific organization, the first letter of "Fraternity" is capitalized.
  • Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, though once known as a professional fraternity, has been in actuality a social fraternity since 1983 upon changing its constitution and receiving exemption from Title IX.

References for these are found at A Brief History of Sinfonia --Avery W. Krouse 06:58, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

  • While Resolution NCR51-12 adopted "Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia - Dedicated to instilling in all people an awareness of music's important role in the enrichment of the human spirit" as an official motto of the Fraternity (as reported in The Sinfonian reference cited), it did not replace "Once a Sinfonian, Always a Sinfonian, LLS!" as the primary motto of the Fraternity.
  • The National Headquarters is located in Evansville, Indiana; not Indianapolis as I found it on the site.

[edit] Red links

Is there any point to having the chapters redlinked, if they are going to remain in the article? Except for maybe the Alpha chapter or something, it's unlikely that any of them are notable enough to have their own page. - Goodmanjaz 22:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree with Goddmanjaz. I nominated two individual chapter pages for deletion: one was a list of current members, the other (although it was well written) was a detailed chapter history that did not demonstrate the chapter's notability in a scope of outside their home university and surrounding community. Rackabello 20:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Removed the red links Rackabello 20:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Moved the chapter and colony lists to a sub-page Rackabello 23:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Phi Mu Alpha Colors

You guys have three out of the four colors, the order should be red, black, gold, white. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.39.46.204 (talk) 01:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Professional Fraternities Box

How does one edit the template at the bottom of this page. I would like to add more professional fraternities to the list. Gatherton 21:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Phi Mu Alpha is not a professional fraternity, it has been a social fraternity since the 80s. See [1]. The Fraternity started as a social organization, but a change of emphasis to professionalism came in the early 1970s, and due to the passing of Title IX, the Fraternity was required to become co-ed. In 1985, membership was restricted to men again, as the Fraternity returned to social status, earning an exemption from Title IX. In 2003, the original Fraternity's Object was reinstated, completeing the change back to a social organization. Rackabello 14:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • While all of the information provided above is accurate, the fact remains that Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia is still a member of the Professional Fraternity Association (PFA).[2] In fact, Alan Adams was both the executive director of Phi Mu Alpha and the president of the Professional Interfraternity Conference (PIC) when the PIC merged with the Panhellenic Association in 1978, making Phi Mu Alpha a charter member of the PFA (Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia: A Centennial History, p. 6.4-5). I am currently a member of one of Phi Mu Alpha's national committees and I have heard no rumors that the organization is planning to leave the PFA. If such plans are in the works, they are certainly not public and have not been finalized, therefore making them inappropriate for consideration as a citation in this article. Thus, I recommend that the Professional Fraternities box remain on this page since it contains accurate information about Phi Mu Alpha's organizational affiliations. Of course, Social Fraternity should remain in the Type field of the Fraternity Infobox as that is also accurate. As a side note, I would also like to know how to edit the Professional Fraterities box so that Phi Mu Alpha can be removed if it does in fact leave the PFA. Michael07lu 19:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:PhiMuAlphaSinfoniaCrest.gif

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Fair use rationale added. Michael07lu 23:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Nowhere near GA, entire sections unreferenced, even headings don't conform to MOS, tone verges on spam in places, without sourcesto support claims Jimfbleak (talk) 06:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)