Talk:Phan Boi Chau
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[edit] Birthplace
Where was he born?
- The article says "Sa Nam village, Ðông-liệt District, in the region between Mount Hùng and the Lam River." What is the current location of this place? Badagnani (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Restoration Flag?
"The Vietnam Restoration League came up with a proposed flag design. Previously, Vietnam never had a flag, only banners to represent royalty. Their flag idea had 5 five-pointed stars, arranged in a square with a star in the middle. It symbolized the five regions of Vietnam. The national flag had red stars on a yellow background, and the military flag had a red background with white stars. The yellow represented their race, the red represented fire which represented their location to the south of China (see I Ching), and the white represented the metal of their weapons..."
What did this flag look like? Can anyone have more references or links. please? Le Anh-Huy 05:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Which country?
If this was before the French seized (and renamed) northern Vietnam as Annam, was the country in which he was born simply called Vietnam (under the Nguyen Dynasty)? Badagnani (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Vietnam had called itself many names throughout history:
- Văn Lang - during the Hung Vuong era
- Âu Lạc - during An Duong Vuong's reign
- Vạn Xuân - a brief independence period from 544 to 602
- Đại Cồ Việt - 968-1054
- Đại Việt - 1054-1400; 1428-1804
- Đại Ngu - 1400-1407
- Việt Nam - 1804-1839; 1945-present
- Đại Nam - 1839-1945.
- DHN (talk) 20:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, this is good. So it was "Dai Nam" at that time (the "enhanced" name of the country). Badagnani (talk) 21:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Emperor
Should we mention that Tự Đức was the emperor when he was born? Badagnani (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Geographical info
Why was "between Mount Hùng and the Lam River" removed? Badagnani (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- It seems superfluous. If the reader doesn't know where "Dong Liet District" is, it's unlikely they would know where "Mount Hung" or "Lam River" is. DHN (talk) 21:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I think it's poetic and encyclopedic, if we want to treat the subject in a thorough way. Like Kim Jong-Il was born on Mount Paekdusan or Abraham Lincoln was born in a log cabin. Badagnani (talk) 21:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I haven't seen much significance placed on his birthplace in his hagiography. The only thing that consistently gets mentioned is that he was born in Nghe An. DHN (talk) 21:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Unresolved issues
One of the thorniest issues regarding his final capture is the identity of his betrayer. While Phan himself points the finger at Nguyen Thuong Huyen, Cuong De think it's Lam Duc Thu (Vinh Sinh). According to Hoang Van Chi, his betrayer was Ho Chi Minh. Joseph Buttinger, in "A Dragon Embattled" (New York: Praeger, 1967), also implicate Ho Chi Minh (for 150000 French Indochina piastre). Sophie Quinn-Judge and William J. Duiker, both biographers of Ho, dispute this theory. DHN (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Naming convention
Note that Phan Boi Chau is one of the few Vietnamese who consistently gets referred to by his surname (Phan) instead of his supposed given name Chau (his birth name was Phan Van San). This article should reflect that convention. DHN (talk) 16:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
