Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (CAF)

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[edit] New Preliminary Round

It appears Sao Tome and Central Africa have both withdrawn. As a result, Swaziland and Seychelles are no longer required to play in this round, and the teams they were matched against will play each other instead.

Team #1   Agg.   Team #2   1st leg     2nd leg  
Madagascar Flag of Madagascar - Flag of the Comoros Comoros 13 October 17 November
Somalia Flag of Somalia - Flag of Djibouti Djibouti * 17 November
Sierra Leone Flag of Sierra Leone - Flag of Guinea-Bissau Guinea-Bissau 14 October 17 November
  • - Possibly played as one leg, or both legs in Djibouti (as per note in initial draw)Jlsa 00:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Results table for Groups

I have proposed one kind at Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA)#Results Tables please see if it is liked, and i will provide them here. F9T 21:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Angola

Quote from the article: If Angola advance to this stage then all teams in the group will automatically advance to 2010 African Cup of Nations. My question is: Why? Antipoeten (talk) 00:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

16 teams must qualify for the African Cup of Nations and one must be Angola, so the top 3 from each 4-team group excluding Angola will qualify, which means that in Angola's group all 3 other teams will qualify. - MTC (talk) 06:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
This qualification methodology may conflict with latest CAF documents (which may not, however, be accurate). See notes below and CAF website at [1] Jlsa (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Team Order

For the groups should the teams be listed in alphebetical order or in the order FIFA lists them? I vote for FIFA order. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/preldraw/fifa%5fprel%5fdraw%5fresults%5f29101.pdf JedG (talk) 03:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that alphabetical. Hm... It doesn't matter because after first match everything will change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TigerTatoo (talkcontribs) 11:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
If the FIFA order is representative of something, then we should use it. – PeeJay 13:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Group schedule out yet?

Is the group schedule out yet? If so, we should include it.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 04:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Group Stage

Some questions need to be answered.

What happens with the smaller group in terms of the best 2nd placed teams? Is the withdrawal of Eritrea effective eliminating this option as usually happens in CAF when teams drop out.

Ranking is based on

  • Points in 1st Group stage. So what happens with the small group with 4 games v 6 games?
  • Place in 2008 ANC from 1st - 16th. 1st to 4th are obvious, any official announcement on how 5th - 16th are defined?
  • Final FIFA rank (from 20 to 1 based on ranking among teams that qualify for this stage). Ranking will be latest as at draw date - so October, November??

Jlsa (talk) 03:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi JLSA!
  • I sent an e-mail two days ago to CAF regarding this issue. No reply yet.
  • I think the final criterion will be total points (3 for a win, 1 for a draw). See for example the seeding procedure for ACN 2006.
  • No info at the moment in the CAF calendar of events.

Edgar (talk) 08:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay - this is getting weird.
  • CAF has changed their website and added a link [2] which states a few things that are surprising.
  • It appears from my reading of this document that the problem of Eritrea's withdrawal on the "points acquired in Round 1" estimate will be handled by the double counting of the first three Group 11 matches (which is advantageous to Swaziland as they have 2 home matches in this, Togo has 1 and Zambia 0). Note that this boosts the "effective matches" played by each side to 6 (as per other groups). Presumably, the "unadjusted" points will be used to work out who won the group, while the "adjusted" points will be used to work out the ranking for the second group stage (and if the group runner-up is included in the "best 8 group runners-up")
  • The first group stage alone will determine who gets to the 2010 Africa Cup of Nations. That is 12 groups winners + 3 best runners-up (not 8 best) + Angola (so presumably 4 best runners-up if Angola is a group winner). Not sure how this squares with previous thinking on how 2010 ACN qualification was going to work.

Jlsa (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Great find, J! --Edgar (talk) 09:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chad

Chad kicked out of ACN quals (not FIFA quals). The text notes the "second round of ACN qualifiers". The note directly above hints that there is, in fact, no second round qualification for ACN - if all depends on the first round. Note, that logically it would have to be the case - how could Chad qualify for a second round ACN group but not a second round WC group (surely another team would make up the qualifiers for the second ACN round?) Jlsa (talk) 07:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

They even removed that info from the link you posted.--Edgar (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)