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Contents 1 Activity 2 Ubuntu 3 Please consider taking the AGF Challenge 4 Just to say hai 5 Rfb participation thanks 6 My RfA 7 RFA Thanks 8 RfA thank-spam 9 RfA thanks! 10 Invisible Kid (disambiguation) 11 Salutations 12 Your Bongo cleanup 13 My Recent Rfa 14 Vizard (disambiguation) 15 Thanks! 16 Signature 17 Happy birthday! 18 Happy birthday fellow Wikipedian! 19 Hello 20 Disambiguation pages 21 Arnold (character) 22 Funny depends on the audience 23 Couple of things

[edit] Activity

I see you've returned after a long wikibreak. Just thought I'd come to welcome you back. :) Rudget 14:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ubuntu

I've removed the speedy deletion notice that you put on Ubuntu, and replaced it with the redirect to Ubuntu (disambiguation) that was there before. I am confused as to why you thought it needed to be deleted; although there is discussion going on as to whether there is a primary topic for the disambiguation for "Ubuntu", we definitly need Ubuntu to direct users to the disambiguation page in one way or another. -- Natalya 03:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, with the requested move, I sort of get it now. Apologies for the confusion. We could do the move now, but I was holding off on fixing it until the discussion was resolved, just to that if more things get changed, we don't have to change it multiple times. But, if it is really felt as necessary, I can go head and do it now. -- Natalya 03:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. Please go ahead with the move. If there is controversy, however, please feel free to move it back. PwnerELITE (talk) 04:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please consider taking the AGF Challenge

I would like to invite you to consider taking part in the AGF Challenge which has been proposed for use in the RfA process [1] by User: Kim Bruning. You can answer in multiple choice format, or using essay answers, or anonymously. You can of course skip any parts of the Challenge you find objectionable or inadvisable.--Filll (talk) 17:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just to say hai

Have a great day ! -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 09:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rfb participation thanks

Hello, Natalya.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. If you have any further suggestions or comments as to how you think I could help the project, please let me know. As you felt the need to remain neutral, I would appreciate any particular thoughts or advice you may have as to what flaws in my candidacy you perceived and how you feel they may be addressed, outside of being more active in the username arena. Once again, thank you for your participation. -- Avi (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi Natalya; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 22:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thanks for your support at my recent Request for adminship. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thank-spam

[edit] RfA thanks!

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invisible Kid (disambiguation)

Maybe you can help me. I'm indecisive on a blue link for the last entry. Which of the three entertainers would be the best one per MoS:DP#Red links? Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps putting the actor/actress with the most prominent role as the blue link? I checked IMDB, Movies.com, and Allmovie, and they all list Jay Underwood as the first star. Additionaly, Allmovie had a movie poster, and Jay was the first billed actor. So, if I had to decide, I'd go with him. Do you think that makes some sense? -- Natalya 20:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. Thank you for all your help. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! Glad I could be of help. -- Natalya 20:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salutations

Hi Natalya! How's the encyclopedia treating you nowadays? :) Eric (EWS23) 20:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Eric - nice to see you around! The encyclopedia is going pretty well; just recently got back into the swing of things here, and it's warning up well. And yourself? -- Natalya 21:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Doing well here. I can never be sure how long I'll be around, but I've been in the mood to edit quite a bit recently. Perhaps that's the key to an effective Wikibreak- staying away until you absolutely have to come back. :) Eric (EWS23) 21:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It's always nice to come back and really be in the mood to edit. And when not... well, that's what real life is for! :) Yeah, I'd been popping by randomly and editing like one or two things, but I've been back more consistantly for a bit now. -- Natalya 21:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure the encyclopedia is glad to have you back. :) As always, feel free to let me know if there's anything I can do for you. Eric (EWS23) 21:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! The same to you, of course. -- Natalya 21:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your Bongo cleanup

I noticed this when it shot up my watchlist. Are you aware that redirects should be used in the place of direct links per WP:PIPING and that WP:WAF does not apply to dabs? Let me explain: you removed Bongo (Dragon Ball) (which the guideline prefers over its actual target) and added "fictional" to each character (this type of clarification is only necessary for fiction articles, though there are few exceptions, like DMZ (disambiguation) and Deep Six). Some good dab examples include Zero (disambiguation), Devilman (disambiguation), Rinku, Gouki, Lena (disambiguation), and Sarutobi. Does this make sense? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope, that does make sense. And now that you say that, it sounds familiar. MoS:DP#Piping mentions that. Thanks for the reminder! There were two entires on Bongo that I did that for, so I'll be sure to fix them. -- Natalya 22:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Glad you understood. You're probably wondering what the difference between the inclusion of "media" and/or "universe" is. Well, I use "media" when the item appears in more than one version of the subject. I use "universe" when the item appears in only one version of the subject. Here is an example:

• Kuririn appears in Dragon Ball-related manga, anime, films, games, etc., therefore, the subject appears in many versions of Dragon Ball. So, "in Dragon Ball media" is used.
• Zero appears in O-Parts Hunter-related manga, no where else. So, "in the O-Parts Hunter universe" is used.

I hope this cleared everything else up. Any concerns? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Recent Rfa

I would just like to say thanks for the neutral vote in my recent RFA. I will still say thanks as from your comments and the other users comments that opposed me and gave me a neutral vote have made me make a todo list for before my next RFA. I hope I will have resolved all of the issues before then and I hope that you would be able to support me in the future. If you would like to reply to this message or have any more suggestions for me then please message me on my talk page as I will not be checking back here. Thanks again. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vizard (disambiguation)

New dab created. How's it looking? Wasn't sure which redirect to use for Visor; I found Vizard (Shakespearean English) and Visard, but used neither because Visor itself did not make a reference to any of these. What are your thoughts? Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting... I wonder why "Visard" redirects to "Visor" (must by the Shakespeare thing)? Perhaps if we can find a good description of what Visard in Shakespearean English means, we could put that link in, rather than having the redirect to Visor? Until I saw the redirects, it wasn't clear to me why the Visor link was there (I now see, though). -- Natalya 12:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I encountered a similar problem with Shinto. There is a statement there that suggests the Naruto character (Haku (Naruto)) is known as "Shinto" in a Malaysian dub (actually tried to find a reliable source for this, no such luck). What should we do for these instances? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

When there are references such as that, and it isn't mentioned in the article, and if I do a Google search and it's not blatently obvious, I usually delete them (since they're unreferenced claims, pretty much). -- Natalya 01:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I found this. Appears to have been a mistranslation or something, though I can't consider a wikia as a reliable source by any chance. Did you try a Google hit? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the reference is for the name "Shiro", anyway. I'd say it doesn't need to stay on. -- Natalya 02:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, just realized a mistake. I was thinking about the Shiro page and misspelled it as "Shinto". Can you look at Shiro? I'm thinking the citation can be written as a footnote. New thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Do you think it would be possible to get the reference somewhere on the Haku (Naruto) page? I feel like a footnote on a disambiguation page would be sort of odd (if that was what you meant), but if the mistranslation gets even a tiny mention on the actual article page, then we have a legitimate reason to link to it on the disambiguation page. Plus, they hopefully would want the information there if it's valid. -- Natalya 13:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is the Haku page before it was redirected. The Malay trivia is there but it is possibly original research (the Puer oblatus case is similar from what I've been told). Guess I can at least mark Shiro (Naruto) for deletion based on what I've concluded. Thanks for all the help ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

You're most welcome! Always glad to collaborate to figure things out. -- Natalya 16:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

And now on the Puer dab. I discovered Puer oblatus, and would like to list it, except Oblate (religion) (which is Puer oblatus' target) does not mention any "Puer". Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

When it seems like I am too unfamiliar with the subject matter to know if a disambiguation term is legitimate or not, sometimes posting on the appropriate article talk page or a related Wikiproject can help with clarification. -- Natalya 01:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Any WikiProject in mind? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

How about Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity? -- Natalya 02:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Uh-oh, someone redirected the Vizard dab [2]. What to do? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Start up a discussion with the editor, I'd say (you can do it!). Discuss why you think it should be a disambiguation page, and see if you can come to an agreement one way or the other, perhaps. -- Natalya 19:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks so much for your support in my RfA, which closed successfully this morning. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

Hey, thanks for catching my unsigned comment. Bob the Wikipedian (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome - no problem! -- Natalya 12:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy birthday!

Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day, Natalya!

It's also my birthday too! Soxred 93 02:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

	Happy Birthday	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing Natalya a very happy birthday on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Don't forget to save us all a piece of cake!

Idontknow610^TM 19:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy birthday fellow Wikipedian!

The Wikipedia Birthday Committee wishes you a very happy birthday! Enjoy your special day.

Best wishes from Canada  ;-) --RobNS 03:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi Natalya. I have to log of right now, I promise I'll let you know tomorrow. I welcome all the help we can get! At present though discussing the bot seems to be on the agenda (despite it already sealed with approval. Best regards, will post to you tomorrow morning . ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 21:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. First of all we need to check the blue links. If they lead to the corretc page of an existing article in that province/country then we leave it. However most lead to an existing page of a totall different article or a town in a different country or province or an existing dab page. What we want is to correct the links accordingly to the province it is in. E.g see Andar. If initially you only find one place in the country with that name (providing the title is being used for a different article then it should be dabbed e.g Andar, Afghanistan. Howver if there are multiple pages of the same name in that country it sohould be linked by province or district like Andar, Wardak etc. The links can always be changed afterwards if we find more settlements with the same name. Afghanistan though as you can see has been done, but Bangladesh hasn't even been started on yet. Problems do arise when there are multiple places in the same province so is difficult to distinguish. these should be placed at the top of the page in a "problematic naming" section and posted on the general page for problematic names which will need sorting out later. Once you have addressed the links on eahc page please mark it with a Y Done and let us know. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 09:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, things are getting clearer - thanks for the explanation. So, if there is a blue-linked page, but goes to a different settlement, we should rename the settlements appropriately, and make the blue-linked page a disambiguation page? (This is what I took away from Andar, but do let me know if I've got that wrong). If that is true, if there are multiple red-linked places by the same name, should we go ahead and create a disambiguation page, and rename all the different red-links appropriately? -- Natalya 12:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sort of. If looking through the pages in the missing articles if you come across a blue link then you sort the disamb out on the relative page like Andar etc. But once that is done you turn the false blue link into a red one on the missing list which is dabbed ready for starting the correct page. Note afghsniastan has been dabbed already and links like Andar, Wardak have been fixed ready. So basically any blue links you see need to be checked Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 12:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool - that makes sense. For the second part of the question, though, if there are multiple red-linked places by the same name, should we go ahead and create a disambiguation page, and rename all the different red-links appropriately (so that they all remain red-links but there is a blue-linked disambiguation page for them)? -- Natalya 12:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes thats right. But occasionally you may find one or two existing articles on different subjects under the same name already dabbed which are blue linked on different topics. These should also be on the dab page of course with all the re dlinks you have added for the settlmeents Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 12:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for the clarifications! -- Natalya 12:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Your're welcome. Bangladesh is highest on the agenda now Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 12:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow your're a singer and pianist? I'm a dedicated musician too. Started playing piano and guitar aged 7!! Now 18 years later I'm still playing! Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 12:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I took piano through most of grade school too. My skills definitly laxed after I stopped taking lessons, but I still have a good time dabbling around (and, like, working on one piece for the past two years :D). That's great that you're still playing. -- Natalya 12:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes I reached Grade 8 around aged 14 but hese days I barely look at sheet music but play by ear!. Mostly play guitar now but I often sit down and play piano in the conservatory every few days. I'd love to learn the Cello, music by people like Yo Yo Ma is so beautiful Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 12:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The cello is beautiful! One of my greatest regrets (well, not really greatest, but I do regret it) is that I played it for like three years when I was like 8, and then stopped. Now whenever I see/hear people playing the cello, I wish that I still played. :) So it goes, though! Music in general is great - I like that it's something that [almost] everyone likes in one form or another, because there are so many different kinds. -- Natalya 12:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at Yo Yo Ma and Morricone at youtube -two of my favourites. Ennio Morricone one of my favourite composers of all time. Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 13:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Very cool! -- Natalya 13:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The most soothing music I listen to though is native Hawaiian music. So beautiful and refreshing. Have a listen to this. Ernst Stavro Blofeld ^{$1 million?} 13:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

That was really nice; very soothing. For relaxing music, I really enjoy putting all of Enya's music on shuffle. -- Natalya 17:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Clannad are great aren't they! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 17:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation pages

Thanks for the information :-) CultureDrone (talk) 16:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arnold (character)

Should Arnold (fictional character) be re-targeted to this article or do you believe some kind of merger with Arnold (disambiguation) would be best? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's see... most of the fictional characters are covered on Arnold (given name). I know that WP:WikiProject Anthroponymy states that the surname pages should contain fictional characters. If the fictional characters are actually known as just "Arnold", then I think it's appropriate to also include them on the disambiguation page, like we would for anything else. If not, though, I think they can be solely at Arnold (given name). So, I'd say merge any information that is on Arnold (character) to Arnold (given name) if it's not already there, and then just have a link at Arnold (disambiguation) to Arnold (given name), like is already there. What do you think? -- Natalya 23:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Methinks this is a bit confusing. Should I merge the data from Arnold (character) to Arnold (disambiguation) and sort things out from there? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Conservatively, I'd say only the people at Arnold (character) who are really referred to as just "Arnold", I'd think. Arnold (Hey Arnold!) and Arnold the paperboy seem to be the appropriate ones. But, it probably won't do a whole lot of harm to put them all on the disambiguation page. -- Natalya 00:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually your way does sound easier, though I'll have to do it later (when I'm more awake). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll fix up the Arnolds. Can you take a shot at Serena? Appears there is a primary topic which shouldn't be there, though I'm not sure if the Wiktionary link could pass. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I took out the dictionary definition, but added Wiktionary link. Should be okay. -- Natalya 12:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Funny depends on the audience

I try to be easy-going, but if you look at the history of Masculine and Feminine, the poster has his own way of understanding what "neutral" means, i.e. "normal" and "positive". --But the main issue for the Disambig project there is WP:DICT and a distracting non-dab link (Epicene). He won't let them go. Cheers, Yamara ✉ 01:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Couple of things

If you recall our last "Shiro" discussion, it was somewhat decided that the redirect Shiro (Naruto) could be deleted. There is no reliable source at the redirect's target to back up the claim that Naruto`s Haku is known as Shiro in a Malaysian dub. Also, did you see this response from weeks ago? Please reply on your talk page, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and delete the redirect, then - thanks for the reminder. As yep, I did see that response about the difference between universe and media; that clarification was appreciated. Hopefully I'll be able to enact this in the future. -- Natalya 21:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)