Talk:Mount Everest/Archive 1

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Contents 1 An ascent? 2 Page revert 3 Pictures 4 Sikdar 5 Date of first measurement 6 Hindu names 7 pronunciation 8 Summit wholly in Tibet? 9 US GPS reading 10 Ridges directions 11 The Box 12 nationality 13 User request from main page 14 Contradicts itself 15 Visit for the lazy. 16 Temperature inconsistency

An ascent?

What's an 'ascent'? In 2003, did that guy run from the base of Everest to the summit in his ascent? Or did he make the ascent from the last base camp to the summit in 12 hours and change?
~ender 2003-11-08 14:55:MST

I know that Tim Macartney Snape was the first to climb the mountain completely on foot, from sea level to the summit. He also did this without oxygen, only the second person to do so. He has made two ascents —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.253.101.111 (talk • contribs) 17:31, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Page revert

I think it's worth noting why Secretlondon just reverted the page. It would be an insult to the people of the Himalayas to suggest that Mount Everest was "discovered" in the middle of the 19th Century AD--we can note that the surveyor was the first to note the mountain's distinction as "tallest", but we can't legimately call him the discoverer of the mountain. Jwrosenzweig 23:58, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I have protected this page to stop this silly cycle of reversion. If Mr Anarchist wants to make the case that the Bengali guy should be recognised as the discoverer he can do it here rather than just continue to revert. --Robert Merkel 00:12, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

okay, what about Columbus "discovering" America? This is getting out of hand. You guys are clearly RACIST. I don't have to appeal to White skinned racists to "recognize" any fact. You are clearly ignorant fools if you did not know it. AmeriKKKan stupidity perhaps?

Sorry, I forgot to sign my name. You guys did not even know who Radhanath Sikdar was until I brought it up. Anyway, don't ASSUME things. These white racists are hunting down contributions I made and changing them. -- LibertarianAnarchist

LA, I and most Wikipedians would not describe Columbus as the discoverer of America. At most we would say that he was the first Western European to discover America (and given Viking travels, we wouldn't even say that). To deny the people of Nepal, Tibet, and the other Himalayan regions the fact that they assuredly knew much about Everest long before the outside world did is a blatant kind of racism, whether it is practiced by people of white, brown, black, yellow, or red skin. Furthermore, the inflammatory and racist comments you yourself have been making do not help your case. Jwrosenzweig 00:27, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Jwrosenzweig, if you have observed, I have actually contributed FACTS but been hounded in a systematic way by a small gang here in Wikipedia who are only interested in propaganda. Use your brains and you will see that the head bureaucrat (Everest) usually does not discover something. It is the person in the field who comes up with the discovery. As for your comment on Columbus, why don't you go to the page on Columbus and remove references to him "often" being credited with its discovery and lock the page? Be fair, do it.

The peak existed much before Sikdar but Sikdar deserves to be mentioned before the bureaucrat Everest is. Be honest and give him the pride of place. Also admit it, these guys didn't even know who Sikdar was. Elsewhere VerilyVerily commented that he finds it hard to believe what I wrote about Sikdar! His knowledge base being clearly inferior, he had heard of Sikdar for the first time. I am sure he did a Google search and posted the information which was as far away from mine but unfortunately for the bigot, even he couldn't completely remove the reference to Sikdar. -- LibertarianAnarchist

Just to be clear, LA, I find your contributions here completely offensive and repugnant -- I am posting one last interchange only because I think it wise policy to attempt to remain civilized even when your opponent is clearly not doing so. I have observed what you have done here: I know very well what you have done and how you have hounded in your own systematic way those who oppose you. Columbus is indeed often (incorrectly) credited with America's discovery: Wikipedia says so because it is factual. Sikdar deserves to be mentioned. Everest does also. Both made their own small contribution to a mass of rock that predates them both by a wide margin. I don't care who knew what: demanding to be recognized for your "special contribution" to this article strikes me as the action of an insecure editor, and not a serious contributor. Calling VerilyVerily a bigot when it is you who have acted with bigotry is, I think, the final straw that will allow you to be banned as a user, under whatever name you pretend to act. This is all I will say to you. Please take your childish and disgusting vitriol elsewhere. Jwrosenzweig 00:44, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Pictures

I just added a picture I took of Sagarmatha (Everest) from the summit of Kala Pattar in October 2002. The previous picture, while still a good one that I originally posted from els (after getting permission), really only shows the West shoulder of Everest. One cannot see the summit block of Mt. Everest from base camp. One of the reasons why Kala Pattar is so popular, perhaps more so than base camp, is for the great views and pictures one can take of Everest, Lhotse, Nuptse and surrounding peaks. It truly is something one can never forget. RedWolf 05:41, May 14, 2004 (UTC)

Great pic!! Do you have more Himalayan photos? They would be great to add to the 'pedia. -- hike395 13:09, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I have many more photos and have added one for Ama Dablam. I'll add some more when I get a chance. RedWolf 00:41, May 22, 2004 (UTC)

Sikdar

The last edit about Sikdar may have gone a little overboard. It seem uncontroversial that he didn't use any fancy technological instruments, right? And it is uncontroversial (although obvious) that it wasn't named after him. The sentences seemed NPOV to me, although I can see hacking them out due to obviousness. ("Mount Everest was also not named after Queen Victoria, John Quincy Adams, and Attila the Hun" :-) ) -- hike395 04:46, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Date of first measurement

If Sikdar made the first measurement of the mountain in 52, then later down the page,the victorians can't be credited with performing the first measurement in 56. Now the mountain stands at 29,035 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steenies (talk • contribs) 17:26, July 16, 2004 (UTC)

Hindu names

Isn't Gaurishankar Indian name for mount Everest ? Ramashray 14:35, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There is Gauri Sankar. RedWolf 23:02, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

pronunciation

check discrepancy re IPA pronunciation of personal name with that given on page George Everest -- now fixed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.246.135.176 (talk • contribs) 10:38, April 12, 2005 (UTC)

Summit wholly in Tibet?

I was interested to read that although the summit ridge defines the border between Tibet (China) and Nepal, the summit is in Tibet. Does anyone have a cite/map for this as I have never heard this before? 143.252.80.124 6 July 2005 13:16 (UTC)

US GPS reading

"The 1998 American Everest Expedition installed a GPS unit on the highest bedrock, computing the elevation of the summit as 8,830 meters...Today's generally accepted value of 8,850 m (29,035 feet) was obtained via GPS readings from a device placed on the summit by the USA in 1999."

Is there a typo here somewhere? — Matt Crypto 23:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Ridges directions

I think that there is an error in the ridges direction names:

1. they can talk about "south ridge" or "southeast ridge",
2. the western ridge (Hornbein ascent) is clear.
3. But the Northern ascent is no "Northwest", but a Northeast ridge.

I would also like to get a comment why the summit should be in Tibet... IMHO the summit is the meeting point of the three ridges, two of them (west & south ridge) marking the borderline between Nepal and Tibet. So the summit is common for TIbet and Nepal. Or?

Regards from a german IP. :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.56.58.154 (talk • contribs) 12:35, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

The Box

Please, someone repair the box. I tried to, and failed %( --Compay 23:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

nationality

We report the nationality (Country) of the climbers in the timeline list. By the way, Hans Kammerlander and Messner are reported as from "South Tyrol" and "(South Tyrol, Italy). I wonder why we do not say just Italy, or at least (Italy, South Tyrol) about them both.

Wikipedia is not a place in which writing about our feelings, or will of independence. I'll change it in a week, in nobody answers this comment. Gala.martin 17:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I changed to (Italy, South Tyrol) since nobody answered (see above) in two weeks. gala.martin (what?) 23:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

User request from main page

Hey people i need more help about the death zone and the hillary step can you help by postin stuff? - spaz

Contradicts itself

Intro says it's growing 2.5 cm a year, later figure given (in measurement section) is 3 to 5mm. Big difference and if someone knows which is right this should be adjusted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.207.246.230 (talk • contribs) 21:19, May 5, 2006

Good point. I have no idea, but I think someone before in this page discussed about 2.5 cm. We should really fix that. gala.martin (what?) 03:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Visit for the lazy.

What is the time estimate for building a cable-car or a vertical tunnel with elevator, which would allow the general tourist public to visit the very peak in a pressurized environment? The Genesis clearly says YHWH tasked mankind "to multiply and conquer all lands". It is imperative that god-fearing, money counting capitalists turn the Everest into an amusement park, so it is not deserted land any more. I hope the chinese will do that, they develop rapidly.

A more important reason for a permanent human habitation module on the top of Everest would be space colonization. It could serve as a live trial for Moon and Mars bases, as there is almost vacuum on those celestial bodies. If we can demonstrate that people live and work for long in the best earthly airlessness we got, that would be very encouraging towards space expansion. Antarctic has the cold but not the lack of air. 195.70.32.136 09:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Temperature inconsistency

In the "Death Zone" section, there's the statment "Temperatures can dip as low as -100 degrees Fahrenheit (-55°C)". I don't know which is correct, but they sure ain't both so. - Spike 62.49.28.206 11:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)