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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Little grammar note 3 Thank you for your Poland-related contributions 4 Paul Michel 5 Chess bios and Arthur Dake 6 Leon Tuhan-Baranowski 7 Hello, I just noticed that you just placed 8 Italian chess players 9 An Difenn Cozio 10 Oberenn skrivet (writing) 11 Categories 12 Stanisław Lem 13 Leon 14 Arpad Elo 15 Discussion about links to ChessWorld.net at WikiProject Chess 16 Jerzy Hoffman and Michał Waszyński 17 Vilna Gaon 18 Jiří Pelikán 19 Request for comment 20 Citations of American Politicians 21 List of Polish Jews 22 Yaacov Bleiman 23 Cease and desist 24 Opočenský 25 Categories 26 Please use talk 27 Adam Mickiewicz 28 NPA 29 czech chess championship 30 Re: Abraham Mapu 31 Hungarian-Jewish chess players 32 Categorizing Soviet chess players 33 Chess biographies 34 Belz 1508 35 German Chess Championship 36 Soviet defectors 37 List of Jewish chess players 38 John van der Wiel 39 Swedish Chess Championship 40 Samuel Rosenthal 41 Barnstar 42 New articles 43 List of chess players 44 Carl Goering 45 Budapest Gambit 46 AfD nomination of List of Poles 47 Shraga Hager 48 Category chess players 49 Finnish Chess Championship 50 Hungarian Chess Championship 51 Lithuanian Chess Championship 52 Latvian Chess Championship 53 Lithuanian Chess Championship 54 National Chess Championships 55 City Chess Championships 56 Spanish Chess Championship 57 Italian Chess Championship 58 Edgar Poe and Chess 59 Re:Bulgarian Variation 60 Alexandru Tyroler 61 Arthur Dake 62 Boris Blumin 63 Alvis Vitolinš 64 Robert Henry Barnes 65 Trebitsch Memorial 66 8th Chess Olympiad 67 Some first names 68 Need help with a city name 69 Slovenian Chess Championship 70 Chess tournaments 71 Capablanca Memorial 72 Belarusian Chess Championship 73 J. B. Lindberg 74 Hallegua 75 Max Lange 76 Alekhine's wives 77 Prussian Game 78 Carl or Karl Schorn 79 List of strong chess tournaments 80 Hermann von Gottschall 81 Autoformatting dates 82 American Chess Congress 83 Barnstar 84 Vladas Mikėnas 85 Paul Keres 86 List of strong chess tournaments 87 William Samuel Viner 88 Isador Turover 89 Walter John 90 Abram Rabinovich 91 Zoltán von Balla 92 Paul Johner 93 WikiCookie 94 Why did you move my sandbox copy of UPA 95 Gyula Breyer 96 Johannes Minckwitz 97 Gyula Makovetz 98 Vladimir Vuković 99 Andrija Fuderer 100 Alexey Alekhine 101 1939 Buenos Aires Chess Olympiad 102 GA review for Alexander Alekhine about to start 103 Bernhard Fleissig 104 Do you understand German? 105 Carl Mayet

[edit] Welcome

Hello, Mibelz, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Little grammar note

Hi, I see your great contributions to wiki, but just a note: usually you say something took place in (and not at) a city/country. So the most recent Summer Olympic Games took place in Athens and the next one is going to be in Beijing. Renata 15:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your Poland-related contributions

Hello Mibelz! Thank you for your contributions related to Poland. You may be interested in visiting Portal:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board, joining our discussions and sharing your creations with us.

-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Michel

Hi Mibelz,

I noticed you recently wrote the article about Paul Michel. I just wanted to inform you that you can get more exposure for Germany-related articles by posting them at Portal:Germany/New articles and Portal:Germany/New article announcements. Happy editing.--Carabinieri^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 22:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chess bios and Arthur Dake

Thanks for your fine work creating chess bio articles including Arthur Dake. It's very well done. 24.177.112.146 02:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leon Tuhan-Baranowski

was deleted by way of WP:PROD. But if you have a good source or two, we can undelete it. Looked interesting. Let me know. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Did. I can't read Polish well enough to understand. Let me know if you want to undelete this and take to an AfD. Or better, take it to the Polish noticeboard and show the redlink and the sources to one of the polish sysops (they can read deleted revisions) so they could decide if this is something we ought to even consider keeping. Cheers. - crz crztalk 11:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a pity that you deleted the article on Polish-Belarusian chess player Leon Tuhan-Baranowski only because of your nescience of a language. Mibelz

[edit] Hello, I just noticed that you just placed

Samuel Yellin in with a group of Galician Jews and was wondering if you would like to do the same {though not Galacian} with Chaim Gross. Although the article does not mention that he was Jewish, he is [references upon request]. It seemed to me that you would have a better chance than I would of placing him in his proper spot. Oh yes, I was born in 1948 too. A good year. Carptrash 20:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian chess players

Hi. With real pleasure I saw your works about early Italian players. Here is a little thing (in Breton language) about Carlo Cozio fron the Breton (Brehoneg) language Wiki. I read English, French and Italian. Yours. Kadbzh. [1] (Italian) Cozio, Carlo People Cozio, Carlo Chess player Cozio, Carlo Italian chess player Cozio, Carlo Born Cozio, Carlo Dead Template:Peurunvan Template:LabourAChom Carlo Cozio, kont eus Montiglio ha Salabue, a zo bet ganet e 1715 e Casale Monferrato (Italia) ha marvet e 1780.

Mestrc'hoarier (high level player) ha skrivagnour (author) echedoù italian.

[edit] An Difenn Cozio

1.e4 e5

2.Mf3 d5

3.exd5 Dxd5!?

• {it} [2] .

[edit] Oberenn skrivet (writing)

• Carlo Cozio, Il giuoco degli scacchi o sia Nuova idea di attacchi, difese e partiti del Giuoco degli Scacchi, 1766.

Ur mell levr eo, div levrenn ennañ, gant 700 pajenn. Peder lodenn a zo ennañ: an hini gentañ a-zivout ar garadenn (gambetto), an eil hini gouestlet d'ar c'hoari boutin , an deirvet hini a-zivout c'hoarioù "ar C'halabrad", hag an hini ziwezhañ gant 201 bartienn. Ur stagadenn a ya d'ober tost ur bempvet levrenn. Rouez-kenañ eo al levr-mañ: devet oa bet tost an holl skouerennoù anezhañ abalamour d'un tan-gwall en ti moulañ e Torino.

[edit] Categories

Hi Mibelz! As far as I know, there is no need to add a category where there is already a sub-category of it. For example, Iweta Rajlich is already Polish chess players - so you need not add the Chess players category. Happy editing, --Ioannes Pragensis 07:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mibelz, I wrote the answer on my talk page. Greetings, Honza Ioannes Pragensis 22:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stanisław Lem

Can you please answer the question regarding the use of the categories Galician Jew and Polish Jew on Talk:Stanisław Lem#Religious or cultural affiliation? In the edits, I asked asked to explain these categories on the discussion page, too. You reinstored them without answering the question. -- Zz 15:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Polish Jews and Category:Galician Jews include persons who (or his parents) were born in Poland or Galicia (Austria-Hungary, Poland/Ukraine), and they or their ancestors had affillation with Jewish religion, ethnicity or culture. For example, count Walenty Potocki who converted to Judaism (Ger Tzedek of Vilna) there is in Category:Polish Jews.

By the way, Stanisław Lem was an atheist. -- Mibelz 16:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leon

It was deleted per WP:PROD when another user requested it. The same policy provides that upon demand it could be undeleted and submitted to an AfD discussion. Would you like that? - crz crztalk 16:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arpad Elo

What in the world do you think you are doing there. "Arpad Elo" is the only spelling ever used by anybody for this American professor and chess player, except for some older Wikipedia usage and Wikipedia clones.

If you even want to get a different spelling into the article, please provide a verifiable citation to a reliable source. That spelling was flagged for over a month as needing verification when you started this. So don't even add that if you cannot verify it from a reliable source. Gene Nygaard 03:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

See Talk:Árpád Élő. Gene Nygaard 09:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Mibelz, regarding all the renames you have recently done, please take a few minutes to read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) (aka, "WP:UE" or "WP:ENGLISH"). Thank you. --StuffOfInterest 18:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about links to ChessWorld.net at WikiProject Chess

Hi, I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess#Links to chessworld.net - you are welcomed to contribute. Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 17:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jerzy Hoffman and Michał Waszyński

I noticed you added Jewish categories to both articles. Do you have any sources for this? I tried a google search but nothing explicit came up. 141.211.122.239 18:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vilna Gaon

I noticed that you recently moved Vilna Gaon to Gaon of Vilna. Please do not move articles without discussing the move first, especially when the move is unwarranted, as in this case (check Google hits). Thanks, DLand^TALK 21:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jiří Pelikán

Hi Misach, I answered on my discussion page. Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 09:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Thank you for the articles. I am sorry but I do not know whether the players who emigrated to Argentina were Jewish or not. I think that it is probable, but I am not sure. Best regards, Ioannes Pragensis 22:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

At Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#List_of_Polish_Jews. Thank you, -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations of American Politicians

Talk:List_of_Polish_Jews#Sources 141.213.212.81 22:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Polish Jews

I am editing this as well!--Brownlee 13:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yaacov Bleiman

SECRET WEAPONS MASTER If chess players are always thinking one step ahead of their opponent, surely there must be some practical application for their talents. Israeli IM Yaacov Bleiman, who died last June (i.e. 2004), found one. He spent a decade designing a smart bomb that in 2003 was procured by the Israeli Air Force for its F-16 fighter jets. From "Kadbzh" (Breton Wiki). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.12.215.82 (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Cease and desist

Please stop creating articles such as Luis Augusto Sánchez if you cannot add the proper sort keys so that the articles are indexed properly in categories. I fixed that one. Go back and fix any others you have messed up the same way. Note that spaces and any other character are also indexed, such as the one you put in front of his name in the 1930 births category. Gene Nygaard 08:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about in your reply on my talk page? The problem I fixed had nothing to do with Boris De Greiff. I'm glad you noticed that separate mistake you made, but you also need to stop doing indexing with characters such as "á" in the sort key, and you need to go back and fix any others you have misindexed that way. Gene Nygaard 18:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that since you are the only editor in the edit history of César Muñoz and some of the other missorted articles, there is no possibility that this missorting can be blamed on anyone other than you. Fix them. Gene Nygaard 21:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mibelz,

Please feel free to ignore Gene. For some reason I haven't figured out, it's very important to him that articles appear in categories in alphabetical order (in fact, in a particular version of alphabetical order, when Unicode characters are considered). Most of the rest of us consider this to be a secondary consideration, and would rather have good articles around even if they're not perfectly sorted in category listings. (Personally, I rarely even look at category listings.) --Trovatore 04:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. --Epeefleche 11:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opočenský

Dear Mibelz, Karel Opočensky's Czech name was really Opočenský. (see for example [City of Most website article] or [Year Report of Czech Chess Union with the Czech Chess Player of the Century poll results]. Will You make the renaming of the article, or should I? With regards, Okino 15:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Hi Misach, if e.g. Karel Traxler is in the category "Czech chess players", you ought not add category "Chess players" ("Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory," from WP:CAT). Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 21:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Misach, you can look at Category:Chess players - it is clearly written there that the category has four subcategories, one of them is Category:Chess players by nationality. And this category has 65 subcategories currently, one of them Category:Czech chess players. That makes clear that every "Czech chess player" is automatically a "Chess player" at the same time, and there is no need to add the later category to the article because it is redundent per WP:CAT. Greetings,--Ioannes Pragensis 11:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Misach, you are true that the description in the category suggested to add the non-GM in the root category - but it was a wrong wording, in light of WP:CAT. I have corrected it already.

Regarding the woman grandmaster, there are two possibilities; either they have only the women GM title - like Lenka Ptáčníková - or they have also the unrestricted GM title, like Judit Polgár. The later should have both WGM and GM categories and moreover the special "Female Grandmasters" category to tell them easily from the male majotiry of grandmasters :-) . Have a nice day! --Ioannes Pragensis 19:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I do not wish to remove the "Chess players" category, as we need it for players with unknown nationality or with a nationality without its own category. And moreover it is needed as the main, master category for all the national chess players, grandmasters etc. But understand me (and WP:CAT): if you add the category "Czech chess player" or "Chess grandmaster" to an article, you are at the same time adding "Chess players" there, because "Chess players" is the "commmon father" of all these subcategories. It is the same case like being from Prague means that you are from Bohemia, from Europe, from this World... Read please WP:CAT, it is really useful in this situation and try to understand the hierarchical structure of categories here. Happy editing! --Ioannes Pragensis 20:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please use talk

Please discuss largescale edits to List of nationality transfers in chess before making them. And please understand the way the article is formatted at the moment before making such edits. The way the chess players are sorted on List of nationality transfers in chess is consistent with the List of nationality transfers in sport and List of nationality transfers in football: 1. Sorted in alphabetical order by "destination country" 2. Sorted in alphabetical order of surname within the destination country. Aecis^Bravado 19:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

And Savielly Tartakower and others are indeed listed twice, because they've made more than one nationality transfer: they're listed at every country they've played chess for. Aecis^Bravado 19:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what I said above, and the perhaps a bit too confrontational tone in which I said it, thank you very much for your excellent expansion of this list. Aecis^Bravado 20:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You made a good point regarding Becker, Eliskases and the Anschluss. Germany should indeed probably be removed from their listings. Regarding Israel: Israel is indeed an Asian country, but the Israel Chess Federation is a member of the European Chess Union, and its chess players are therefore registered with a European confederation. I believe that Israel should therefore be sorted under Europe instead of Asia. Aecis^Bravado 21:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

There may be another way to refer to the Anschluss. Michael Shmerkin, a figure skater who has skated for both the Soviet Union and Russia, has been listed with " Soviet Union/ Russia" (see List of nationality transfers in sport#Figure skating). Becker and Eliskases could be displayed with " Austria/ Germany". Perhaps we could add a footnote, explaining about the Anschluss. What do you think of this? Aecis^Bravado 21:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The flag of the Third Reich should imo only be used in cases where it is relevant. In the case of German chess players who were German before the Third Reich and/or German afterwards, {{GER}} should be used. In some cases {{GDR}} or {{FRG}} might also be appropriate.

The question of where Israel should be sorted can never easily be answered. Israel is geographically in Asia, but is boycotted by many other Asian countries. Many Israeli sports federations are therefore members of European confederations. The decision has been made in other articles to follow the divisions by sporting confederations, and to sort Israel with Europe. I believe that this article should be consistent with those articles. Aecis^Bravado 22:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have raised the issue of where to sort Israel and Turkey at Talk:List of nationality transfers in sport#Are Israel and Turkey European or Asian?. I would like to ask you to join the discussion there, so that we may establish some sort of consensus with other editors. Aecis^Bravado 22:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed :) Aecis^Bravado 15:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Mickiewicz

You believe that Mickiewicz had Jewish roots. The story is based on speculations about Majewski family. If you don't have any academic sources, don't include rather Mickiewicz into your list. Xx236 11:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC) At the same time Mickiewicz included a number of antisemitic phrases into his works and wrote about his Islamic fascinations in Cremean Sonets. Muzeum Literatury has published a research proving that Mickiewicz' mother was Tatar. I don't care if she was Chinese or Russian, if you care and want to wage a war in Internet, you would rather read the article and prove that the Belarussian author was wrong. Xx236 14:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

As I have written, I don't care if Mickiewicz's mother was Chinese. If you want to prove, that the Belarusian archivist doesn't understand the difference between islamic Tatars and Karaims, do it. At the moment he seems to be competent enough. Xx236 12:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I would just put in all supported statements, with indications of support. --Epeefleche 11:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPA

[3] Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Your edit was highly disruptive and provoked Galassi to lead a revert war. The problem is that

• the case was jugded before by many editors and some admnins; as a result the anounymous user was already blocked for this
• neither you, nor Galassi can give _any_ reliable sources (see WP:VER, WP:RS) and your edits are somehow contrary to the common sense. Please make clear what is your rationale and stop accusing me of nationalism (please correct your offending entry on Galassi talk page).

Thank you. --Beaumont (@) 14:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] czech chess championship

czech and czechoslovakia are 2 different bagatelle. --Mt7 10:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Abraham Mapu

Mibelz

When you add default sort in front of categories you do not need to add the last name first, first name last after each category. The default sort does that for you and will also do it for your stubs. Bluetooth954 16:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian-Jewish chess players

The point about this category was to reduce the categories in some biographies, if you include it remove Hungarian Jews, Hungarian Chess Players, and Jewish Chess Players. PatGallacher 17:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I dislike any vandalism too. I have found Category: Hungarian-Jewish chess players with two names: Judit Polgar and Laszlo Szabo, and I have shoked because of lack their names in another more important categories: Hungarian chess players, Jewish chess players, etc. So I have decided to put many other players into a curious category Hungarian-Jewish chess players. Personally, I am against this category which probably was created by a Hungarian nationalist. I think, it will be better to remove category "Hungarian-Jewish chess players" from Wikipedia. Now I am doing it. Best wishes Mibelz, PhD, 18:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you have misunderstood how the Wikipedia category system works. The category Hungarian-Jewish chess players is a sub-category of Hungarian Jews, Hungarian Chess players, and Jewish chess players, so if somebody is in the first category it is unnecessary to put them in the 3 others. It was me who created this category, I am not a Hungarian nationalist, I created it to create a more orderly structure to the categories. PatGallacher 18:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Pat but in my opinion "The point about this category was to reduce the categories in some biographies" is not a good idea. In any case, categories: Hungarian chess players, Jewish chess players, Hungarian Jews must to contain all persons, respectively. It is necessary not only for Hungarians. Of course it is possible to add new categories or sub-categories.

By the way, I have written many articles on Hungarian chess players for Wikipedia. Among others, the following persons who are right for a new sub-category Hungarian-Jewish chess players: Ernő Gereben, Imre König, Gyula Kluger, Gyula Makovetz, Joseph Noa, Endre Steiner, Lajos Steiner, etc. Mibelz 19:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorizing Soviet chess players

I've created a section on the WikiProject chess talk page to discuss how we should categorize Soviet chess players within Category:Chess players by nationality. Since you have been a prolific contributor to our chess biographers, I invite you to weigh in with your views at WT:CHESS if you like. Quale 05:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chess biographies

You're doing nice work on chess biographies, thanks. Quale 00:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Quale. And because you are already more than a year here, dear Mi, I will give you...

		The Running Man Barnstar
		I award you this barnstar for your fine contributions to the chess articles. Thank you. Ioannes Pragensis 19:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Dears Quale and Ioannes Pragensis, thank you very much for your opinion and the distinction. Mibelz 16:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Belz 1508

The reason that the picture won't upload is because the 1508 variant is not on wikimedia commons. How to get it there however is unfortunately not something that I have experience with- --Orestek 03:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German Chess Championship

Hi, I noticed you did add a reference to this page, which is good, but you didn't add any context, which would be in the form of an introductory paragraph explaining the information on the page. While list articles are acceptable, even they should have an introduction You may wish to look at WP:LIST#lead section for an explanation. Or WP:LS for a discussion on how to write a lead section. FrozenPurpleCube 15:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, this also applies to Italian Chess Championship. The lead section there is highly inadequate. Feel free to ask me for further help if you need it. FrozenPurpleCube 15:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

And you may wish to see British Chess Championship an an example page that has sufficient context. FrozenPurpleCube 15:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi FrozenPurpleCube, I'll try to write something on particular issues. Mibelz 17:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, and if you can't, just leave the context tag up so if somebody who can comes by, perhaps they'll see the tag and decide to improve it. FrozenPurpleCube 19:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear FrozenPurpleCube, Of course British Chess Championship is a good example page but – in my opinion – it is a lot better to get a list including names, dates and references without context information, than nothing. By the way, I could make ready lists of Swedish, Estonian, etc., championships but lack of a context. Best wishes, Mibelz 8:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree in principle that it's better to have a referenced and sourced list of names than nothing (and in case it's not obvious, an unreferenced and unsourced list is potentially worse than nothing). This doesn't make a bare list of names good. It means it's just better than nothing. There's a difference between saying "this should be removed" and "this should be improved" . I'm saying the latter, not the former, to you in particular, because I've noticed you've been quickly providing these lists. That's not a bad thing, but it'll help if you know the work isn't done simply because the data has been provided. You may want to look at the Sport and games section of the featured lists page to see some examples. Again, if you can't do it yourself, that's ok, just leave the context tag up so somebody else might be inspired to fix it. FrozenPurpleCube 14:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet defectors

Hi Peter Ballard, Sorry but you are wrong on Soviet defectors from Baltic countries (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) which were part of the Soviet Union in 1940-1941 and 1944-1990. So, Karlis Ozols as a Soviet citizen, along with many other Baltic chess players (Arlauskas, Dreibergs, Endzelins, Jursevskis, Laurine, Mednis, Tautvaisas, Vaitonis, Zemgalis, etc.) who escaped at the end of WW II to West, was a Soviet defector! Mibelz 8:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Jewish chess players

Hi. Tx for your good work on the list. Two queries. One, and you may have done this, but are you indicating that the chess player is a grandmaster on the list where that is the case? That is the current format, so if it might be followed for the additions you have made, that would be great. Second, which really stems from my thinking of the first issue. Are the additions all appropriate for the list? The list is an attempt not to list all Jewish chess players on Wiki, but the more prominent ones (as we do with Jewish baseball players, etc.). To find all, one need only go to the category. The criteria at the top of the section is as follows: "This list includes Jews who have had outstanding achievements in sports. The criteria is: a) 1-3 places winners at major international tournaments; b) for team sports, winning in preliminary competitions of finals at major international tournaments, or playing for several seasons for clubs of major national leagues; and c) owners of world records." If you could give some thought to that, and -- given your expertise in chess -- determine whether any of the non-grandmaster additions (or prior existing persons) should actually then be deleted, that would be great. Thanks.--Epeefleche 11:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Epeefleche! Thanks for your opinion and reservations. First of all, I agree with you that the list is not for all Jewish chess players on Wiki. From the other hand, two issues are debatable – the Grandmaster title and a level of chess toutrnaments. Especially, it concerns to the early period, until the year 1950 (both lack of formal criteria).

However, it is necessary to add the following missing ones, because of criteria you wrote and suitable references for it (i.e. The Jewish Encyclopedia, Chess http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view_page.jsp?artid=437&letter=C&pid=4, The Great Jewish Chess Champions written by Harold Ribalow and Meir Ribalow http://www.jewsinsports.org/Publication.asp?titleID=4&current_page=13, etc.): Gyula Makovetz, Moritz Porges, Paul Lipke, Richard Teichmann, Carl Schlechter, and Boris Spassky.

Now, I am going to change the List. In my opinion, some names ought to be deleted (i.e. Abrahams, Chernev, Divinsky, Judd, Tyroler, etc.) but others should stay (see below).

Evgeny Agrest GM, rating 2561; Abraham Baratz 1st, ahead of Janowski, at Hyeres 1926, and 2-4th, behind Tartakower, at Paris 1929; Benjamin Blumenfeld 2-3rd with Rubinstein, behind Salwe, at St Petersburg 1906 (4th RUS-ch), and 2-3rd with Marco, behind Chigorin, at Moscow 1907; Jacobo Bolbochan twice champion of Argentina (1931, 1932) and winner of two individual medals in Chess Olympiads (Warsaw 1935 and Buenos Aires 1939); Erich Cohn 2nd, behind Alekhine at Stockholm 1912 (8th Nordic-ch); Wilhelm Cohn 2-4th with Charousek and Chigorin, behind Burn, at Cologne 1898 (11th DSB-Congress); Moshe Czerniak 3-4th with Stahlberg, behind Najdorf and Keres, at Buenos Aires 1939, 2nd, behind Frydman at B.A. 1941, and 1st at Vienna 1951 (4th Schlechter Memorial); Arthur Dunkelblum 2nd-3rd, behind Rossolimo, at Gijon 1950; Berthold Englisch 1st at Leipzig 1879 (1st DSB-Congress), and 1st-3rd with Blackburne and A. Schwarz at Wiesbaden 1880; Samuel Factor 2nd, behind Ed Lasker, at Cleveland 1921 (22nd WCA), 1st at Louisville 1922 (23rd WCA), and winner of U.S. team silver medal at The Hague 1928 (2nd Chess Olympiad); Alexander Flamberg 2-3rd with Salwe, behind Rubinstein, at Warsaw 1911, and 3rd, behind Alekhine and Nimzowitsch at St Petersburg 1913/14 (8th RUS-ch) … be continued … Shalom, Mibelz 19:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

We are on the same page. Tx. Shabat shalom. --Epeefleche 19:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John van der Wiel

I have a question about John van der Wiel. The only sources I have for his birth date (Jeremy Gaige, Chess Personalia, and John Van der Wiel at ChessGames.com) give 09 August 1959. You have 19 March, but don't list any references in the article. Do you know which date is correct? Quale 06:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Quale! Maybe the birth date I have written is incorrect. I took it from a Polish chess encyclopedia Litmanowicz, Władysław & Giżycki, Jerzy (1986, 1987). Szachy od A do Z. Wydawnictwo Sport i Turystyka Warszawa. ISBN 83-217-2481-7 (1. A-M), ISBN 83-217-2745-x (2. N-Z). I think we ought to find other sources. By the way, I have just changed the date. Best wishes, Mibelz 10:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Feel free to add any sources you use to your articles as a reference, even if they are not in English. Although the English wikipedia prefers English sources, it in no way requires them. Non-English sources are much better than no sources at all. In time, if English sources are found they can add to or replace the other sources. Quale 07:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish Chess Championship

Thanks for your careful examination of the page. The entries for both matches and tournaments that I put in Swedish Chess Championship up to 1985 all came from Ken Whyld's Chess, The Records. It's possible that there are some mistakes, especially in the matches. The official website of the Swedish Chess Federation seems to have different details for these early years. If you find any corrections, feel free to make them on the page. If you want to discuss any issues you find in detail, we can use Talk:Swedish Chess Championship. This can work well when different references don't agree. User:Peter Ballard and I worked through some details on Talk:Australian Chess Championship that greatly improved the accuracy of that page. Quale 20:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samuel Rosenthal

I have a question regarding the tournament he won In 1887, he tied for 5-7th in Frankfurt (tournament B – Barnes won). I assume it referrs to Frankfurt am Main not Frankfurt (Oder). Am I right? Masti 15:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Masti! You are right, the tournament was held in Frankfurt am Main (5th DSB-Congress, Hauptturnier). Rosenthal played in B tournament eliminations. Finally, Hauptturnier was won by Johann Bauer. By the way, the master tournament at Frankfurt 1887 was won by George Henry Mackenzie. Best wishes, Mibelz 16:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your innumerable and invaluable contributions on historical chess figures. youngvalter 03:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the distinction. Mibelz 10:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New articles

Congratulations on your newly aquired barnstar, you so much deserve it! You create a lot of new articles, and in relation to that i would like to ask you something. If you create a new one, would it be possible for you to:

• add it to the list of chess topics. This is a very useful page, as the related changes link on the page shows all the last chances on all articles in that list. (it is like a huge watchlist for chess related articles useful for those that monitor changes (including spam) on chess pages)
• put the Chess-WikiProject template on the discussion page? That is : {{Chess-WikiProject|class=|importance=}}. In this way, the article is immediately part of the Chess WikiProject. Another advantage is that it advertises the Chess WikiProject, so hopefully we get more people to join. Thanks a lot! Voorlandt 13:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi, thanks a lot for adding them now. However please note that the template should go on the discussion page (talk page), rather than on the article page itself. So I went over your recently created articles and corrected that.Voorlandt 21:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of chess players

Hi there. I agree with your comment. Having the names entered on the list without the corresponding articles just make the list look untidy. I think they are all articles that need to be written, but users have their own priorities and resources, so these 'suggested' articles are mostly ignored. They may also be an encouragement to vandals, who sometimes add non-notable chess players. I will remove them now. No doubt new ones will be added in due course and I would probably leave any new, sensible 'red' entries for a short while to see if the article is following along. Brittle heaven 23:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tx Brittle heaven, I agree with you. All the best, Mibelz 11:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carl Goering

Hello again. In case you are unaware, there is a discrepancy noted on the Goering talk page - he appears to be playing tournaments after his death. Can you check your information? Unfortunately I don't have any records of the player, other than to confirm that the date of death is correct. Thanks, Brittle heaven 23:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Brittle heaven ! I have just removed a fragment took from http://db.chessmetrics.com (Göring, Carl T - tournaments after 1879, the correct date of Carl Theodor Goering's death). Mibelz 9:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Budapest Gambit

Hello Mibelz, and thanks for the interest you give to the Budapest Gambit! In terms of noun, I feel the same as you do, as I have always heard "Budapest Gambit" and never "Budapest Defence". However, when I proposed the change (see Talk:Budapest Defence#Requested move) some contributors prefered to stay with "Budapest Defence", so the change has been declined. SyG 16:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of List of Poles

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[edit] Shraga Hager

Hi, there is currently a discussion about the notability of Rabbi Shraga Hager your insight on this would greatly be appreciated[4]. Have a beautiful day--יודל 13:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Yidisheryid for the information. I have just written my opinion (Strong keep) on it. Shalom, Mibelz 20:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category chess players

Hi! Please have a look at the Wikiproject talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess#Category:Chess_players, where this has been discussed. The main point is that when an article is in a subcategory (in this case for instance Britisch chess players, Polish chess players etc.), it shouldn't be in the master category. (Just like we don't put all chess players in the Category:Sportspeople. So the category should not be removed, only not populated directly. I hope this makes sense to you.Voorlandt 13:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello! Please look at the Category:Chess players where is written: "This category and its subcategories include notable chess players. Players who have been awarded the Grandmaster title will be found in the subcategory chess grandmasters(...)". Now many players (more than three hundred) are in this category and some are not. What is the criteria for it ? I would like to know what is a substantial difference - in that case - between for example Aloni and Czerniak ? So, the solution is simple: to add all or none chess players (of course, except grandmasters).

By the way, there is structural disorder in categories British chess players, English chess players and Scottish chess players. There are players in both categories, i.e. Cochran (British and Scottish), Mieses (British and English), and others only in one category, i.e. Short (English), Zukertort (British). Why ? In my opinion, all of British chess players ought to be also in English, or Scottish, or another (Welsh, Irish, etc.) subcategories. Mibelz 14:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I have responded in the Wikiproject chess talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess#Category:Chess_players, so other people can join the discussion as well. For now I will wait to change categories, to see what others say. Voorlandt 15:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I am continuing to sort out these categories, because everyone seems to agree on the talk page. Hope you don't mind. Voorlandt 09:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Voorlandt ! I will not stand in the way of it. However, I have a new idea to create Category:Chess masters as an alternative to Category:Chess grandmasters. Think about it, please. Best wishes. Mibelz 16:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish Chess Championship

Thanks for spotting my bad entry for 1932. I carelessly put in the wrong Krogius. It should have been Ragnar Krogius (1903 Jäaski –1980 Stockholm). Quale 21:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

• I see you added a good reference to the article which has all the results, including those since 1985 where I stopped. Quale 19:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Quale ! I see your good work in various places, among others at List of national chess championships. Do you intend to create Lithuanian Chess Championship? Perhaps a reference [5] (since 1943) would be useful for it. I have also found an information about early Lithuanian champions (Vladas Mikenas - 1936, Povilas Vaitonis - 1934, 1937, 1938, 1942, and 1944, Isakas Vistaneckis - 1935, 1941). Best wishes, Mibelz 20:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian Chess Championship

Greetings. Thanks for sorting out the Tata/Tatatavaros mix-up for me. It must be quite useful to have such a good grasp of European geography and languages!

Unfortunately, the numbering system is a little too much for me to take on right now. I don't have enough knowledge of Austro-Hungarian, pre-war and post-war Hungarian history, otherwise I might be able to follow Ikaria's excellent example. I am hoping I will one day stumble across a Hungarian website that contains all of the missing entries. What are the chances? Brittle heaven 11:09, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian Chess Championship

Actually I think you've done more to improve the articles on List of national chess championships than I have. I've only been picking off the low hanging fruit, primarily using a single reference (Whyld's Chess: The Records) that's 20 years old so I don't have many results since 1985. You've added more recent results, found some of my mistakes, and added references in languages other than English. Your language skills are a big help. I have only English and very weak high school French. Anyway, I do want to have a complete record of all national chess championships in Wikipedia, including Lithuania. We already have Estonia and Latvia, so that would complete the Baltic states. I'll take a look at the reference you found. Feel free to create the Lithuanian Chess Championship article if you like (and certainly please create it if I take too long to get to it). Thanks. Quale 19:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

• I've made a start on Lithuanian Chess Championship based on the fine website reference you found, and a tiny bit of information from Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess. I looked for as many full names as I could find in Gaige's Chess Personalia and at http://www.fide.com/ratings, but I couldn't find several and had to leave those entires with just first initials. It took me a while to realize that "R. Cholmovas" = "Ratmir Kholmov". You mentioned that you have some information on early years of the tournament. Golombek says the first was in 1929, so I hope that agrees with what you have. Quale 03:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
• Excellent. Belarusian Chess Championship does need a lot of help. Normally I wouldn't have created an article like that with only a single result, but I was confident that I could get at least 10 years history in it and I hoped that someone would be able to expand it. Quale 14:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Latvian Chess Championship

Hi, I noticed you were working on this article and had a look for the recent champions. I think the list can be found here: [6] (1990-2005), although I am not sure! Here are the results from 2005: [7] Voorlandt 21:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian Chess Championship

Hi!,

• About Machtas: I can't find any other chess players with machtas as surname in my database. Z. Machtas and S. Machtas are these Lithuanian, because Alexandras Machtas is, and was pretty good at that time. I think this is the same Machtas you mentioned in the article on David Enoch.
• I am afraid I have no information on the early Lithuanian championships. However I think the list as we have it now is complete, if what we have is correct: 3. 1923, 4.1930, 5.1934, 6.1935, 7.1936, 8.1937, 9.1938, 10.1941 (otherwise the count is not correct). Btw, in the introduction it is written that the championship first started in 1929, so something is not right there.Voorlandt 20:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
• Something else strange, in the article Povilas Vaitonis it says he became champion also in 1944, but then the count is no longer correct. Voorlandt 20:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National Chess Championships

Hi!, I found a link which lists many national chess championships: [8]. For instance, it has the winners of the Bulgarian Chess Championship we are missing. It also lists national chess championships which we don't have yet. Voorlandt 14:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] City Chess Championships

I didn't remove the City championships from Category:Chess national championships as any kind of rebuke, I just didn't think it fit well. It seems to me that a National category should cover at least an entire nation, and city championships don't fit. The Denker business is iffier, but arguably nationwide competitions for youth would fit under a national category. If you want to put them back in, I won't revert it. If we had enough city championships we could create a separate category for them, but I don't think that's going to happen soon, so I thought that simply Category:Chess competitions would be fine.

About how to handle women's championships: we could settle on a single way to handle these, but there are some considerations. Putting everything in one table doesn't work well when the men's and women's championships are sometimes held in different cities, such as Romanian Chess Championship. Separate sections should always be fine, although it has the possibility of creating very long articles if we have a lot of material. Right now U.S. Chess Championship isn't very good, but I'd like to significantly expand it with a paragraph of discussion about each individual championship. That would make it pretty long to merge U.S. Women's Chess Championship into it, especially if the U.S. Women's Championship page was also expanded. (I've already added a bit on the 1962 U.S. Women's Ch. to the article, and I should be able to do about the same for every U.S. Women's championship since then as a local library has Chess Life starting from then. Quale 02:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mibelz, I have copied and commented on the women's championships here Talk:List_of_national_chess_championships, maybe we can further discuss this issue there. Voorlandt 08:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Chess Championship

Hi, I copied and pasted the winners list from the Federación Española de Ajedrez (FEDA) website [9]. Older results are from link: [10] (this links also confirms the 28,29 and 32,33 results). Voorlandt 10:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Italian Chess Championship

Thanks for adding the women's winners to Italian Chess Championship. Your work on chess articles including biographies and tournaments has been excellent and continues to be much appreciated. Quale 18:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Poe and Chess

Hi! I'm fairly well aware of Poe's "Maelzel's Chess Player" but I still don't see evidence that he should be included on a list of "avid" chess players. Just because he wrote an article on hot air balloons, for example, doesn't make him a balloon expert. Unless I see a source that says explicitly that he not only played chess, but that he was an avid player, it just doesn't seem like an appropriate listing. Thanks! --Midnightdreary 15:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Bulgarian Variation

Hi, thanks for your search for sources on the Bulgarian Variation. I have posted a reply on my talkpage... Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alexandru Tyroler

Hi! I would like to ask some corrections on this page. His name was Sándor Tyroler and not Alexandru. His nationality was hungarian and not roumanian. He was born in 19. okt. 1891. Garamszentkereszt/Hungary at that time, now Slovakia/ and died in 3. febr.1973. Budapest/Hungary/ He was my grandmother's brother, so I am sure that it's correct.

          Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyroler (talk • contribs) 17:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC) 

[edit] Arthur Dake

A question has come up whether Arthur Dake was Jewish (see Talk:Arthur Dake#Jewish?). Do you have any references that might help? Quale (talk) 02:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Quale! I have found an information on Dake's Jewish roots in an article "Chess and Jews" written by Edward Winter (see: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html). Happy New Year ! Mibelz 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Edward G. Winter is a good source—he's obsessive with getting these sorts of details right. Thanks. Quale (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Boris Blumin

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[edit] Alvis Vitolinš

Hi, I have some questions about Alvis Vitolinš. The article doesn't list any sources. Alvis Violinsh at ChessGames.com agrees with the wikipedia article (maybe you used it as a source). A standard source I consult for chess biographical data is Jeremy Gaige, Chess Personalia. The entry on p. 447 doesn't agree very well with chessgames.com or our article. The birth date checks out, but Gaige gives Ventspils as the birthplace rather than Sigulda. Also Gaige says the year for the IM title is 1980, but our article says 1984. Gaige has a reputation for careful, accurate work, but Chess Personalia isn't always correct. Do you have any more information that might help determine which is correct? Quale (talk) 11:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for the update and correction with a reference. Quale (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Henry Barnes

Hi! I found the name in Chessbase megabase (it has all the games of the DSB-1896). Chessbase gives New Zealand as his country. He participated in NZL championships in the 1911 (7th scoring 5/10), 1913 (4th scoring 7.5/11), 1914 (2nd 10/14) and 1915 (2nd 9/10) This website has his full date of birth and says he died in 1916. They give England as country. The german wikipedia [11] also has some information on him. Btw the DSB congresses are listed also at German Chess Championship; perhaps the two articles should be merged? Voorlandt (talk) 15:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trebitsch Memorial

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[edit] 8th Chess Olympiad

Hi. You've written bios for many of the players who decided to remain in Argentina after the 8th Chess Olympiad due to the outbreak of war. Maybe you'd like to put a little bit in the very stubby 8th Chess Olympiad article about this. (A complete list of the players who remained in Argentina would be a good start.) I don't have any particularly good sources at hand, although I can do some research. I think you have one or more references on this topic. It's the most important and interesting aspect of this Olympiad. Quale (talk) 06:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks, you went above and beyond the call of duty by detailing the results as well as adding a bit about the effect of World War II. Quale (talk) 04:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Wow, you've really gone above and beyond the call of duty. Your work on the early Olympiads has really improved those articles. The tables are really nice. Thanks again. Quale (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some first names

Hi, I finally found the remaining winners from the Belgian Chess Championship. A couple of first names are missing. I just found one on the 8th Chess Olympiad (Marianne Stoffels). I suspect you got her first name from Stanisław Gawlikowski Olimpiady szachowe 1924 - 1974 Wyd. Sport i Turystyka, Warszawa 1978. Could you have a look if you can track down any of the following?

• E. E. Middleton (m) ([12]) or ([13])
• F-H. Königs / Koenigs (m)
• J. Kornreich (m)
• Y. Ebrahimi (m)
• Spoormans (f)
•  ?E? Lancel (f); not sure about E

Thanks a lot! Voorlandt (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need help with a city name

Paul Keres won a tournament in 1950 in Shchavno Zdroi. As you can see, it doesn't have an article. I'm not sure of the correct transliteration of this place name. It might also be Shchavno Zdroj or Shchavno Zdruj, and it's possible that it's hyphenated, Shchavno-Zdroi. I don't know where this place is (Poland?). Do you know where this is, and if there is an appropriate article to link? Thanks for any help you can offer. Quale (talk) 04:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks again for your help. Szczawno-Zdrój has an article, so that's perfect. Quale (talk) 11:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slovenian Chess Championship

Hi, I saw you changed the date of the first championship back to 1937. Do you have a good source for that? The site of the Slovenian Federation says 1936. See [14]:

                   Banovinsko prvenstvo Slov.sah.zveze 1936
                           Ljubljana, 1.-12.7.1936
 N     Name         Tit    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12   Pts Pl.  
 1 Sorli,Joze             XXX  0   1   1   1   =   1   1   0   1   1   1   8.5    1    
 2 Siska,Joze              1  XXX  =   =   =   =   0   1   1   1   1   1   8.0    2    
 3 Weiss,Zlatko            0   =  XXX  =   1   =   0   1   =   1   1   1*  7.0    3    
 4 Lesnik,Ivan             0   =   =  XXX  1   0   =   =   1   1   1   1*  7.0    4    
 5 Preinfalk,Anton         0   =   0   0  XXX  1   1   1   0   1   1   1   6.5    5    
 6 Cibic,Boris             =   =   =   1   0  XXX  1   0   1   0   1   1*  6.5    6    
 7 Vidmar,Ciril            0   1   1   =   0   0  XXX  0   1   1   1   1*  6.5    7    
 8 Marek,Ivan              0   0   0   =   0   1   1  XXX  1   1   =   1*  6.0    8    
 9 Singer,Henrik           1   0   =   0   1   0   0   0  XXX  =   1   1*  5.0    9    
10 Bercic,Ivan             0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   =  XXX  1   1   3.5   10    
11 Klanjsek,Ivan           0   0   0   0   0   0   0   =   0   0  XXX  1*  1.5   11    
12 Kranjec,Ignac           0   0   0*  0*  0   0*  0*  0*  0*  0   0* XXX  0.0   12    

They have a lot of detail as well, so I think they can be trusted. If you have a very good source that there was a championship in 1937, we should put both in. Voorlandt (talk) 14:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chess tournaments

Thanks again for creating articles on several different chess tournaments (Capablanca Memorial, etc.). I have always wanted these, but you are actually getting it done. I will help with the work of creating links from our player biographies back to these tournament articles. The strength of wikipedia is in its internal linking. Quale (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

• I'll try to add some text to Capablanca Memorial. I think I have one or two sources with a small amount of information. The famous 1965 tournament with Fischer can certainly be described. Quale (talk) 22:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
• I wasn't able to add as much to Capablanca Memorial about the tournament in general, although I did have some information on the 1965 edition. If I find more I'll add it. I saw you and Voorlandt discussing the winnner list. Quale (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capablanca Memorial

Thanks for your reply to the Slovenian Championship. Thanks a lot for creating the Capablanca Memorial, me too, I was planning to create this one, but in the end I gave up since I didn't find any consistency in the winners list. I mainly used chessbase megabase and endgame.nl. Can I ask, what is your source for the winners after 1987? It seems to be better than the sources I have. The endgame.nl site is definitely wrong regarding the cities (I think chessbase can be trusted here). The article now mentions just one winner for every tournament, but endgame.nl has multiple winners (eg 1969, 1977, 1998, etc). Do you know whether there was a play-off or the winners were decided by tiebreak? Thanks again, Voorlandt (talk) 19:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Belarusian Chess Championship

Hi! I recently added the women champions to the Belarusian championship, but I am unsure about some transliterations (the source is in Cyrillic). I am not sure if you can read it, but in any case, some first names are missing so I would appreciate it if you could have a look at it (see also Talk:Belarusian Chess Championship). Thanks a lot! Voorlandt (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for checking and correcting. It seems that the website also had the complete men's winners list. So yet another championship complete! Voorlandt (talk) 07:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] J. B. Lindberg

Good point, although I don't know if Lindberg was Swedish or not. Jeremy Gaige in Chess Personalia, p. 250, gives "John B. Lindberg" with no dates or places of birth or death and with the note "1935 SVE Chess Fed. Co-champion". He doesn't list any sources, so I don't know where his information was from. Ken Whyld in Chess, The Records, p. 149, also has "John B. Lindberg" as the 1935 co-champion, again with no other biographical information or hint of sources. I suspect that Gaige used Whyld as a source as Gaige refers to this work from time to time in Chess Personalia. Quale (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Very good research again, in finding a Swedish source. Quale (talk) 09:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hallegua

Sorry, I can't find Hallegua in Gaige. I don't think I have any other references that mention him either. (I like the Alexei Alekhine page you created. Gaige gives August as his birth and death months with the same years you have, but doesn't have a day for either.) Quale (talk) 04:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max Lange

Hello, I see you created the Max Lange article. It says that he died in 1899. There are a number of web based articles that have him alive in 1905. Is it possible you could check and give as a citation for your original source. Thanks. ChessCreator (talk) 15:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Excellent information. ChessCreator (talk) 18:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alekhine's wives

Hi. Appreciate your good work on the Alexander Alekhine article, but note that family members of famous people do not get Wikipedia articles if they are not notable in themselves (see WP:Redlinks and WP:BIO), and this is certainly true of Alekhine's wives. So I will be removing the "red links" on his wives. Peter Ballard (talk) 23:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prussian Game

Can you check reference that you added along time ago please?
Unzicker, Wolfgang (1975). Knaurs Neues Schachbuch für Anfänger und Fortgeschrittene. Droemer Knaur. ISBN 3-426-02242-7. 

Prussian game? Which is it?

• 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 Prussian Game English Wikipedia
• 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Prussian Game 2 3 4 plus Preußische Partie and ECO codes from German wiki. ChessCreator (talk) 03:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The Two Knights Defense came to be designated the Prussian game, named after Bilguer's opening monography from 1839, see here - this was indeed the test run for the famous handbook's methodology (variation analysis, notation etc). However, the traditional naming "Two Knights Defense" prevailed in the end. With the ECO code, as the German wiki article explains, the "Prussian Game" got to be exclusively reserved for the Ng5 variation - which is, for history's sake, a good solution, because von Bilguer dealt only with Ng5, with a special focus on the Fried Liver Attack. --DaQuirin (talk) 23:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carl or Karl Schorn

The only reference I have immediately at hand is Jeremy Gaige's Chess Personalia. The entry there says simply "Schorn, Karl", and does not give Carl as an option. This is certainly not definitive and doesn't prove that Carl is not correct. Gaige gives as references for the entry Deutsche Schachzeitung, 1850, p. 413–416; Moniteur des Dates, Vol. 5, p. 36; Schach-Jahrbuch für 1899/1900, p. 217; and Thieme-Becker: Allgemeines Lexikon der Bildenden Künstler, Vol. 30, p. 265. Quale (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thank you so much for your many chess biographies (you are a busy man!). As for Carl or Karl, the common use was often changing in Germany. Sometimes names were differently spelled in the 19th century (like Karl or Carl Mayet), and for a while - as you say - it was more fashionable to spell "Carl" and so on. The birth (legal) name was in many cases written in the traditional way, so Louis Paulsen was born Ludwig for example, if I remember correctly. As for Schorn, I found in the more authoritative sources always Karl, so in the ADB article [15], Meyers Lexikon or Bachmann's "Aus vergangenen Zeiten", the classical work on Germany's chess history in the 19th century (based here on sources like Deutsche Schachzeitung). You will find some more weblinks in the German Karl Schorn wiki article. Google books gives for "Karl Schorn" /Maler (20) as compared to "Carl Schorn" / Maler (10). So your interesting finds prove only that Carl or Karl still makes not a big difference today or that in fact Schorn used at some time the Carl form. As a matter of fact, Schorn is as both painter and chess player nearly forgotten. So it is interesting, that his unfinished painting "The Deluge" (Sintflut) is now to be restored - the largest (!) painting that the Munich Neue Pinakothek owns... --DaQuirin (talk) 17:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

PS The Bilguer handbook writes "Carl Mayet", but again "Karl Schorn". --DaQuirin (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

PS For one of his paintings (the same as in the German wiki article), see Bildarchiv Foto Marburg [16] see "Künstler", "Schorn, Karl"; Neue Pinakothek website gives him only once [17], again "Karl". I don't know why now some new articles give him as "Carl". I suppose, Schorn himself would not much care about it :)) --DaQuirin (talk) 16:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of strong chess tournaments

Hi Mibelz, Yes, it was my mistake to add Zurich(1953). It resulted in discussion on the talk page about the articles purpose. I have just removed the Zurich entry now as not to cause confusion. ChessCreator (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hermann von Gottschall

Hi, just noticed the article Hermann von Gottschall while recent change patrolling. Just one thing I want to point out that the article mainly uses non-English sources. Can you please consider using some English sources. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Autoformatting dates

Many thanks for all your tireless contributions in writing chess biographies. I have a small suggestion: I wonder if you would consider wikilinking the person's birth and death dates? That way readers who have set date preferences can see either day before month or day after month. There's information at MOS:SYL. Regards, Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American Chess Congress

Great job on this article. It is beautiful article and highly notable! I am sorry if I interrupted your editing (or caused edit conflicts). I only found out later that you were still in the process adding material). Regards, Voorlandt (talk) 13:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For constantly creating well referenced chess biographies SunCreator (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your opinion and the distinction. Mibelz 12:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome, you do such a lot of new articles. SunCreator (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vladas Mikėnas

Hello! You wrote that Vladas Mikėnas played for Lithuania at first board in five official and one unofficial Chess Olympiads, and that In August/September 1936, he played at unofficial Olympiad in Munich (+5 –7 =8). In the site [18] he is not mentioned among the players that played in 1936, and the whole team is missing from this event. Could you please check your source about this 1936 participation?

You also wrote that "In 1960, he took 10th in Parnu (Baltic Rep. ch)." This table shows that he shared 4th-5th place [19] Could you please check your source also about this tournament?

Do you think that the 7th place in 23 Championship of Moscow- December 1943/4 is important enough to mention? [20]

Also the 7th place in the Championship of Estonia- 1945 [21]

He also participated in the 7 Championship of Lithuania(open) Vilnius March 1951 [22] and in the 1953 Championship of Lithuania [23] and in the 21 Championship of Lithuania- 1965 he shared first place with Uogele [24] As far as I know his last tournament as the Championship of Lithuania was in 1985 [25] where he got the 14th place.

Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi! You give me an extra work but what to do ?!

1/ Vladas Mikenas played for Lithuania on 1st board at Munich 1936 (=5 -7 =8), and Lithuania took 11th place (see my article: 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad). Reference: http://www.olimpbase.org/1936/1936ltu.html

2/ Mikenas tied for 4-5th at Leningrad 1960, and took 10th at Pärnu (Paul Keres won), http://www.geocities.com/al2055perv/nat_tour/1960/ch_pri60.html (see my article: Baltic Chess Championship).

3/ In have just added Moscow 1943/44, Estonia 1945, and LTU-ch.

Shalom, Mibelz 17:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the references! I am ashamed that I missed the 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad... I knew that I missed something as I found too many games mentioning this event but could not find the link.

About the Baltic Chess Championship - I simply do not understand as also this link mentions the Baltic Chess Championship for the year 1960. Were there two events? [26]

Here are some more info: Hastings 1937/38 Mikėnas took 6th place [27] and here are some nice photos if you think the link is good enough to be added [28].

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 02:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Keres

Hello!

I found in [29] a reference to Paul Keres 15-0 result in the 1942 EST-ch. Do you have maybe the crosstbale? I did not find it in the RUSBASE(PART FOUR) [30]. Thanks! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of strong chess tournaments

Hello! As the main contibutor to this article, what do you think about the idea to add links to the tournaments? Here are some examples:

• [31] - to the Hastings tournaments
• [32] - Corus
• [33] - Luhacovice 1969
• [34] - 1967 Winnepeg

It is a lot of work, but I do it to check all the tournaments to avoid translating errors. I just found two errors in the Paul Keres article.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 10:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] William Samuel Viner

I appreciate your creation of chess biographies greatly, but I am concerned that some of the pages you have created seem to be copyright violations. In particular, William Samuel Viner seems to be a word-for-word copy of http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A120367b.htm. Quale (talk) 03:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Isador Turover

Hi! I am sorry I couldnt find much more than you about this. Just the fact that he was born in Belgium. I did find quite a lot of reference to the fact that he awarded 'brilliancy prizes', so I have put that in. Regards, Voorlandt (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Walter John

Hello! The last result you give as "He took 2nd, behind Carl Carls, at Bad Aachen 1934 (2nd GER-ch)." The table below shows him at the 11th place. Could you please check you source? [35] Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Abram Rabinovich

Hello again! I added some references to this article. Here is another tournament that he participated, not with big success: [36]. Here is the table of the Karlsbad 1911 tournament (you will have to scroll down to get to the final scores from this event . [37]

He also participated in the 1929 championship but withdraw. [38]. Do you think it is worth mentioning?

Otherwise he is mentioned in [39] as having composed 7 studies.

I also added some info in the Karel Hromádka article.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 05:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zoltán von Balla

I found that the city name is not Tatavaros but Tatatovaros. Found the correct name in [40] --Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I just mentioned it because the letters to were missing in Tatavaros - Tatatóváros

Only today I read your amazing user page with all the contributions to chess - kol hakavod - which means in approxmiate translation from Hebrew - all the honours to you

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Johner

Hello! Here is another tournament where he finished first, if you wish to add it to the article. [41] --Niemzowitsch (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello! You can always add new ones. Please do it. Thanks for your opinion on my chess page. - Behatzlacha - Mibelz 21:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCookie

[edit] Why did you move my sandbox copy of UPA

Why did you move my sandbox copy of UPA and overwrite the original article???? Bobanni (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I think, it is clear that article concerns Ukrainian Insurgent Army and it does not concern person, User:Bobanni (his life, hobby, etc.). So, in my opinion, the title ought to be change. Shalom, Mibelz 15:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

All files that belong to an editor are prefixed with User:. Note yours is User:Mibelz. I was working on an alternaive layout from a former copy. It is not ready to be released. If you copy it again it will really infuriate the other editors who are working on this article Bobanni (talk) 16:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gyula Breyer

Hello ! I see that the German article is much larger than the English one. Do you know someone that knows enough German to be able to expand the English version?

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 10:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I think, a German wikipedist DaQuirin is a good contact. Mibelz 10:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I will contact him. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Johannes Minckwitz

Hello! I read in this article that Johannes Minckwitz took 4th at Frankfurt 1878 (12th WSB–Congress, L. Paulsen won); then a little later that Johannes Minckwitz tied for 3rd-5th at Braunschweig 1880 (12th WSB–Congress, L. Paulsen won);

Which of the two is correct? Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your glance of the eagle's eye. The 12th WDSB Kongress was held at Frankfurt 1878, and the 13th and last West Deutschen Schachbund (WDSB) Congress took place at Braunschweig 1880. Please look at the German Chess Championship page which I started. - Mibelz 8:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment and also for the quick correction of the article! By the way - could you explain the acronyms WDSB-, NDSB-, MDSB?

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

WDSB - Westdeutschen Schachbund (Western/West German Chess Association/Federation), NDSB - Norddeutschen Schachbund (Northern/North German Chess Association/Federation}, MDSB - Mitteldeutschen Schachbund (Middle/Central German Chess Association/Federation).

See: http://www.endgame.nl/dsb.htm, please. Mibelz 10:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I will see it later. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gyula Makovetz

I read this short article and was surprised by :

>No Archiving Spiders Allowed

The change occured after an edit by User talk:NicDumZ. Very strange! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 12:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for an information. I have just added references into the page. --Mibelz (talk) 9:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vladimir Vuković

You created an article on Vladimir Vuković, adding the category Category:Jewish chess players. Is there a source for this? I tried but I could not find a source one way or the other... GregorB (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! GregorB (talk) 13:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Andrija Fuderer

Hello! I must say I have no direct knowledge regarding Andrija Fuderer; his first name says Croat, his last name says German, possibly Jewish. However, this is all guesswork. His entry in List of Croatians (poorly conceived and referenced, BTW) would imply at least some Croat descent. I found this: he got his chemistry diploma in Zagreb, and was the 1951 Croatian chess champion.[42] (On a side note: I also found a US patent issued in 1965 to one Andrija Fuderer from Zagreb; deals with chemical technology, so that's almost certainly him.) GregorB (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello! It so happens that my mother (76 years old) was with him in the same class and remembers him very well. If you need any details on personnal basis that could clarify anything - just ask. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alexey Alekhine

Hi, Mibelz. I'm sorry but I've just undone your suggestion that the NKVD might have been connnected with Alexey's death, as you provided no source. Philcha (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Then you need to add a reference to a passage that actually says the NKVD might have been involved. Without such a ref I'd consider it unlikely, because Alexey's public disavowal of Alexander would have been good propaganda. Philcha (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1939 Buenos Aires Chess Olympiad

Great work finding a reference for the decision to proceed with contest! Can you please clarify theh sentence "The assembly of team captains, Alexander Alekhine (FRA), Savielly Tartakower (POL) and Albert Becker (GER), decided to go on with the Olympiad" - does it mean only these 3 took the decision, or do you mean "A meeting of team captains, including Alexander Alekhine (FRA), Savielly Tartakower (POL) and Albert Becker (GER), decided to go on with the Olympiad? PS it would better to use the full name sof the countries; I'd do it, but that item should have your name on it!

Since you've found some refs that have eluded the rest of us, can you fiund anything about the claim (which I took out of the article), that Alekhine and Capablanca agreed in 1939 to play for the championship in 1940, but Capa could not raise the money? Philcha (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice try, but Wikipedia does not cite other encyclopedias. Apart from potential legal issues, this could lead to a circular situation where encyclopedia A cites encyclopedia B, encyclopedia B cites encyclopedia C, ..., encyclopedia X cites encyclopedia A - with no independent proof that the statement is true. In this case if Encarta cited its source and the citation was accurate we could also cite that source - but Encarta does not cite sources, so it's no help to us. I'll delete the ref to Encarta and comment out the paragraph. If you find another source, add it at the end of the paragraph and then remove the HTML comment tags to make it visible again. Philcha (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA review for Alexander Alekhine about to start

Thanks for filling in some of the gaps. The GA review is about to start, so no more changes, please! Philcha (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bernhard Fleissig

Hello!

I read "Bernhard Fleissig took 18th at Vienna 1882 (Wilhelm Steinitz and Szymon Winawer won),[1] took 2nd, behind Vincenz Hruby, at Vienna 1882,[2]"

In the Vincenz Hruby article it is mentioned that he reached the 11th place at the Vienna 1882 tournament [43] but the second tournament which he presumably won is not mentioned. I found it in the [44] so I assume it is correct. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 09:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the update! I added the new information also to the Hebrew article. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Do you understand German?

Hi! Do you understand German? If so, this article (scroll down to "Schwalbe-Urgestein entdeckt") would be a valuable source for Francisco Benko. Else I'll have to add some text to your article myself. --Con^structor 15:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I understand German more or less, so do it youself, please. Grüß aus Schlesien, Mibelz, 18:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Good job on the article! Danke schön.-- Mibelz, 9:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Con^structor 13:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carl Mayet

Hello! I checked the link about "In the 1851 London International, he was knocked out in round 1 when he lost to Hugh Kennedy with two losses.". As I found out that Hugh Kennedy was born a few years after the tournament I replaced him with Hugh Alexander Kennedy (not written yet but the correct full name.) --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello! I have created an article on Hugh Alexander Kennedy and improved the London 1851 chess tournament. PS. It is a very interesting information on your mother and Andrija Fuderer. Is he a Jewish? -- Mibelz (talk) 11:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Very nice! Just read both articles and enjoyed it. I will ask my mother today for Fuderer and will write you what she says. Now it is a little bit too early to phone her. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)