Talk:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore)

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Improve these subpages History of the Mass Rapid Transit Fares and ticketing on the Mass Rapid Transit Facilities on the Mass Rapid Transit Maintain subpages Security on the Mass Rapid Transit Safety on the Mass Rapid Transit Rolling stock articles Add detail to individual stations and lines When enough information is added, summarise them in the main article under "network" Miscelleneous Add more references and info on passenger's perspectives of ride as one comes across them Maintain integration

Contents 1 New map for the Singapore MRT 2 Individual Stations rail succession boxes 3 MRT/LRT locator map template 4 Copyedit 5 Fair use rationale for Image:NS logo.jpg 6 Bloated number of subsections

[edit] New map for the Singapore MRT

The existing Singapore MRT map is quite a work of art, but for quite some time now I've had two concerns with it:

1. It's a carbon-copy replica of the LTA map, to the extent that they could almost certainly sue for copyright infringement and win.
2. It's in PNG format, making it very difficult to manipulate and unsuitable for printing (the station names are illegible at any size under A4).

I've thus created a new map over at Wikitravel which attempts to address both these concerns: SVG original, PNG export. It's not going to win any awards for style, and it only represents the existing MRT network (no LRT either), but it's very clear even at small sizes and free of copyright concerns. I'd be delighted if somebody wishes to extend it. Jpatokal 16:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Maps as grossly "ripped-off" as Image:Singapore mrt lrt map future version3.png has appeared in the New Paper. The Land Transport Authority merely came forward to state that the map isnt an official LTA publication, and did not take further action. They even gave the author "credit" for his work. Of course LTA could sue, but it is heartening to know that in this instance, their reaction has been notably positive.--Huaiwei 02:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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I know this topic has been dead for 3 months, but i think what i want to said is appropriate for this topic. since the existing S'pore MRT map is a carbon-copy replica of the LTA map (or almost a carbon-copy), i've created a map totally not a replica of LTA map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MRT_%26_LRT_System_Map_2.png. i know that this map includes MRT lines that have not been announced yet, but i could erase it away if you guys prefer my map. it also received positive comment on this forum (ya, i know that this is not important, but i just show it for fun). also, since circle line is opening quite, but not very soon, my map also includes Circle Line, let alone Downtown Line. in a totally different shape thhan LTA map some more. disadvantage, no station code and bus interchange indicator. so what do you guys think about this? like it? acceptable of the article? Aranho (talk) 15:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice! Although it looks so radically different that I suspect most Singaporeans will find it rather hard to use. But please tell me you have a vector-format (SVG) original, or did you draw that as a PNG? Jpatokal (talk) 16:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Awhile ago I actually changed the picture on the article in the future expansion to this. but another editor reverted my edit. personally i feel this map is neater and has a better representation of future speculations on MRT expansion. - oahiyeel ^talk 16:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I drew a sketch first on two piece of A4 size paper taped together and scan it on my PC (that's explian why you can see pencil markings on the map). i then added colours and station names using paint and save it under PNG format. i will post a SVG format on wiki if i know how to convert it from PNG to SVG. don't know how to do it. anyway, why SVG format is recommend or rather, a must? oh, and oahiyeel, i suppose you have seen my map before i brought this topic up on wikipedia, like on skyscrapercity forum... jpatokal, i believe you also have an account on skyscrapercity forum too... Aranho (talk) 17:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC) (edited x2)

Arrrrgh! Too late: PNG cannot be converted to SVG. SVG is a vector format, meaning that instead of individual pixels, it stores lines and objects, so you can easily manipulate, shrink, expand the image. Download eg. Inkscape and find out. Jpatokal (talk) 04:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for asking but how did the holland and seletar line came about? and those unannounced lrt line? Ragnaroknike (talk) 12:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope you're aware that most MRT and LRT lines shown on my map are planned, but not finalised. if you are aware of it, than good. these lines you mentioned above (holland and seletar) are actually from this URA's concept plan 2001. note that there is some difference between my map and ura's. hope this answers your question. Aranho (talk) 13:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The Singapore Concept Plan map is an excellent base map to consider drawing our new map from. I plan to work from there and you are most welcome to make a similar attempt as well. Alternatively, do feel free to experiment with other base maps if you so prefer.--Huaiwei (talk) 05:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh and btw we can actually have two maps: one to scale, and the other not to scale (as per current maps). There is room for both maps in the article. I can even assist to write a new section based on the map drawn to scale, because I just realised this article actually fails to explain why certain routes were prioritised, and why the routes are aligned the way they are.--Huaiwei (talk) 05:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Aranho, an image that was drawn by hand and scanned will be rendered as a rastor file. Conversion to vector format (which is what inkscape is based on) is a rather laborious job, especially if your original scanned image it not completely "clean" of unwanted pixels. I can clearly see your erasure marks in the plain spaces, which will be problemetic. The best option is still to completely redraw the map digitally using vector-based software, preferably via Inkscape since it is freeware. This will also give it a more professional look. I find your circular rendering of the circle line quite cute, but I think many Singaporeans are going to have problems with it since they still will naturally look for the historically important north south and east west lines, both of which seem to be visually lost with the whole bunch of new lines. BTW, I hope that in the near future, we can create an original map which is informative, uncluttered, and yet visually appealing. Check out the maps in the MTR article (especially this one) for some inspiration. I am still trying to get a hang out of inkscape, so I hope to be of some help soon.--Huaiwei (talk) 01:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I think i should give inkscape a try. sounds like a cool program to use. and this time, i think i'll try drawing a map geographically correct as possible. And one thing, i can't find the reason why the way i drew CCL is cute. huaiwei, may i know why you find it cute? Aranho (talk) 04:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeap the issue will be trying to draw a nice basemap first. A map drawn to scale will be great...for we hardly have any of those, especially official maps, so this will be a good initiative by wikipedians. I may start drawing one soon as well, so we may compare and combine into a single map. And yeah....that map was cute coz this was the first time I see the Circle line actually being in a circle! ;)--Huaiwei (talk) 05:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I applaud the effort by all involved to create a new map showing the future of the MRT. However, I would really prefer that a very clear distinction be made between approved lines like Thompson and Eastern Region and unapproved lines like North Shore -- if the latter must be included at all. There are now enough approved future lines that I see now reason to include speculative unapproved lines. Do speculative unapproved lines even meet Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion? Mcarling (talk) 17:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Individual Stations rail succession boxes

I've started changing the rail succession boxes in the individual stations to use the "standardised" s-line ones after someone mentioned this on the SGpedians notice board. How ever there are still many MRT and LRT stations to change! So hopefully other wikipedians can help to change them :) Example of the code to replace the old ones:

{{s-info|name=Simei}}
{{s-rail-start}}
{{s-rail|title=SMRT}}
{{s-line|system=SMRT|line=East West|previous=Tampines|next=Tanah Merah}}
{{end}}

For LRT Stations, system=SLRT.

As a result of adapting the standardised box, there are several templates created, and i've categorised them into Category:Singapore_rail_succession_templates.

Note: For those links to MRT line colours, can use {{SMRT color| line name }}. See usage here or here.

Please help to update the pages! Cheers :) - oahiyeel ^talk 19:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MRT/LRT locator map template

I've merged the MRT/LRT locator map template into the MRT locator map template! See usage here. Cheers - oahiyeel ^talk 19:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:NS logo.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bloated number of subsections

If one may refer to Wikipedia:Featured article criteria, it is stated that there should be "a system of hierarchical headings and table of contents that is substantial but not overwhelming". One look at our TOC and it is clear that the "Expansion" section has just far too many subsections, with some subsections only about 50 words long. Help:Section recommends sections between 80 to 500 words long, so it seems that we are overusing subsections. My attempts to consolidate sections[1] has been undone twice[2][3]. I would greatly appreciate if contributors can explain the rational of having a subsection per railline and per rail extension.--Huaiwei (talk) 12:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm for merging the TSL & ERL sections until more details are revealed in future. Also, the EW & NS extensions could be merged together, since it is not a new line but additional stations to current lines. - oahiyeel ^talk 15:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)