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Contents 1 Boeing 737-700 Order 2 Royal French Airlines? 3 KLM Asia 4 History 5 Image 6 Name 7 Figures 8 KLM Asia 9 737-800 & 900 Orders 10 Fleet 11 KLM 747-800? 12 KLM 13 Page Name 14 KLM is using spam as a marketing method 15 In flight entertainment 16 suggestion: mention KSSU group 17 Incidents and Accidents 18 Free tickets to South Africa? 19 Cityhopper 20 So what IS notable? 21 MAA-CDG 22 Another meaning for KLM 23 Absolutly?

[edit] Boeing 737-700 Order

The order from KLM for Boeing 737-700s is for 7 firm orders and 7 options. It is not 10 orders and 7 options.

[edit] Royal French Airlines?

I don't think so... reverted to Dutch 212.35.97.195 09:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KLM Asia

I have merged the KLM Asia article into the main KLM article.

[edit] History

I have added a significant amount of information to the "history" section of KLM, as well as some longhaul travel class info.

Erm, can someone get permission to use a picture of a large KLM plane? I would like to move the FOKKER picture to the KLM Cityhopper article. -- Whispertome

No problem. I've moved my Fokker 50 pic to KLM Cityhopper and I'll try to find a new pic to go here soon. I took the Cityhopper pic at London Heathrow.

Incidentally, it's nice to identify yourself, just put four tildes at the end as I do.

Adrian Pingstone 11:40, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The article title "KLM Royal Dutch Airlines" appears to be inaccurate or redundant. "KLM" is an abbreviation for dutch words that mean "Royal Dutch Airlines", so the name is repeated twice, and the airline itself is called either "KLM" or "Royal Dutch Airlines" rather than both of those together. I'm thinking of moving this back to KLM, since that's the name that's used throughout the article itself, but before I do so I figured I'd ask if anyone had preferences. Bryan 07:18, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The most common name is "KLM". The article should be there as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use common names of persons and things. ed g2s • talk 13:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I have uploaded a new picture of the KLM logo, it's at: Image:klmlogo2.PNG. Is it better (or worse) than the one already on the article? --Kilo-Lima 21:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

It's the "same difference", at least the current version goes better with the background colour of the webpage, and indeed matches the logo on aeroplanes. wangi 22:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

The article should be called "KLM Royal Dutch Airlines" since that is it's full corporate name

[edit] Figures

It would be nice to ad the amount of passengers KLM moves every year.

• I have added it in; it's 6 million as of 2004. ^KILO-_LIMA 18:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KLM Asia

Just thought I'd explain the rewording I did - the original version implied that flights where made to China etc. 'for political reasons', when the intent as I understand it is to say that these flights would happen regardless, the political aspect explains why its KLM Asia rather than KLM the parent. The word order change reflects this (just the pedantic grammar guy in me coming out) Bridesmill 02:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 737-800 & 900 Orders

Recent anon edit implied there is lack of certainty in these orders - does anyone have reasonably firm info? Thanks Bridesmill 14:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fleet

Significant fleet numbers disagreement between here and the nl: article [[1]] - any thoughts, comments? (don't really need to speak nl to read their figs).Bridesmill 22:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

KLM has 107 aircrafts not 181

Airbus A330-200 9 (1 order) Boeing 737-300 14 Boeing 737-400 13 Boeing 737-700 (10 orders) Boeing 737-800 15 (7 orders Boeing 737-900 5 Boeing 747-400 22 Boeing 747-400ERF 4 Boeing 777-200ER 15 Boeing 777-300ER (4 orders) McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 10

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.65.21.76 (talk • contribs)

[edit] KLM 747-800?

Since when did KLM order 2 747-800. I haven't heard any news about this. Blau 22:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you a source for the order it not mentioned here or in the 747-800 article ? MilborneOne 22:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KLM

The KLM fleet is very old. The planes and cabins are still great, but the planes are old. I once took it to amsterdam andd it was great but you could tell it had been used a lot. But by mereging with AF, they will probably get a whole bunch of new planes by 2007 from the AF fleet.

[edit] Page Name

Please do not move the page back. The infobox and the first paragraph of the article should say "KLM Royal Dutch Airlines". However, Wikipedia policy is to use common names in article titles. In this case, that would be KLM, not the full name. Similarly, the Lufthansa article isn't "Deutsche Lufthansa AG". DB (talk) 07:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KLM is using spam as a marketing method

No section for "critics"? ;-)

I just got spammed by KLM. The email is in Norwegian, with the end note: "this is a one-time posting, no need to unsubscribe" :-( I copied out the actual email as http://www.cs.uit.no/~tobias/klm-spam.txt

I'll google a bit around in the next days, if I find any good references, I think I'll add such a section. tobixen 20:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In flight entertainment

One of the sections say "The Boeing 747-400 and McDonnell Douglas MD-11 aircraft are being configured with the new World Business Class seats as well as new inflight entertainment in economy, although this upgrade will not include personal televisions in economy."

Please clarify what the IFE in economy will feature if there will actually be an upgrade. --124.106.135.197 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

KLM's narrowbody aircraft do NOT feature in-flight entertainment in Economy Class.

[edit] suggestion: mention KSSU group

When the DC-10 entered service, there was a cooperative maintainance agreement among 4 airlines, KLM, SAS, Sabena, and UTA. It was informally called KSSU (that's not an abbreviation that I made up). Archtrain 19:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC) Sabena was part of Atlas Group. Swissair was a member of KSSU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.166.236 (talk) 02:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incidents and Accidents

KLM Flight 867 - Adamcu added this awhile ago but had "flew through a thin layer of clouds" as a summary and someone reverted it. The summary was a bit misleading but the actual incident occured. The thin layer of clouds was the start of a volcanic plume that caused nearly US$250 million in damage but without fatailities and a safe landing. I just wanted to make sure credit is given where credit is due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spryde (talk • contribs) 10:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Free tickets to South Africa?

I've heard that, from the Netherlands, the plane tickets to South Africa are free. Is it true? 24.202.204.189 01:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that any airline would ever offer completely free tickets. And I even tried to book a flight on KLM from the Netherlands to South Africa and it definitely had a price. NcSchu_(Talk) 02:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I misunderstood the person who said that. She actually meant that it would cost like 200-300$ less to go to the Netherlands and buy tickets to South Africa there than going directly to South Africa. 24.202.204.189 (talk) 23:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cityhopper

IP user keeps adding the Cityhopper fleet to this article. It has an article of its own and is a separate airline. Please explain why the fleets should be combined on this page. Should we add all the other KLM aircraft to the Cityhopper page ! MilborneOne 19:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So what IS notable?

Curious as to why "On Saturday, April 28 2007, KLM received its new and final 777-200ER from Boeing. Its registration is PH-BQP, with the name on the front that says 'Pont Du Gard'. " was rm as 'non-notable' when articles such as Singapore Airlines fleet list every single delivery and every single bort # in the fleet? Bridesmill 15:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines consensus not to include aircraft registrations in airline articles. It is also my opinion that the information is not notable in the long history of the airline, what was the last 747 or Lockheed Electra delivered etc. We cant list in an encylopedia the first or last delivery of every aircraft - they are specialised websites that spend a lot of time and effort doing that. Nobody has got round to changing Singapore Airlines fleet. MilborneOne 21:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

So we will rely on the rest ofthe internet to be the repository of history? In spite f the wealth of specialized websites out there, try digging up details more than 20 years old out there - this stuff 'dissappears' because everybody says 'let somebody else do the work'. I wasn't aware that we were limiting ourselves to a superficial view of things here. Bridesmill 23:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ they are lots of websites and books detailing the history of every airliner built, this is an encyclopedia and there is lots of stuff that is not dealt with. KLM have operated a lot of aircraft in nearly 90-years I am not sure why one particular 777 is more notable than any other aircraft operated. MilborneOne 23:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Right off the top, try finding English language historical detail on PH-AJU "Uiver", (the original, not the repro); and will someof these sites (even the dutch ones) last, as a lot are personal?. I could WP:NOT as well in terms of beans, paper encyclopedias, and soapbox. This is not the case of 'one particular aircraft', its a question of tail numbers; nobody complained about them here before, and it appears that re. Singapore Airlines the decision was notquite what you imply above.Bridesmill 23:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The original text was removed because in my opinion it was not notable, nothing to do with registrations, nothing to do with Singapore Airlines. MilborneOne 17:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Comparing PH-AJU with PH-BQP is quite a stretch to be honest. It's very difficult for me to believe that the last 777-200ER delivered to KLM (up until this point, KLM could always order more) would ever be something for the history books. NcSchu_(Talk) 18:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MAA-CDG

Does KLM fly from Chennai to Paris? It has been listed as a destination. I just know that Air France operates the route or you have to go thru its hub in AMS to get there. Bucs2004 (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I would guess through Amsterdam, but then again, this is not KLM flight schedule page. Try KLM itself for that. Arnoutf (talk) 17:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another meaning for KLM

Dunno if this would be important enought for a disambiguation, but in optics, KLM refers to Kerr-lens mode-locking, so its not just an airline and a human computer interaction. Just wanted to let people here know; whether it is acted upon (e.g. a disambiguation page) is up to people here. --nyoro~! Highwind888 (talk) 06:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Absolutly?

• Airbus

• Airbus A319-100 ...........................................57 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Airbus A320-200 ...........................................82 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Airbus A330-200 ...........................................11 ............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Airbus A330-300X ........................................21 ............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?

• Boeing

• Boeing 737-300 ............................................14 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 737-400 ............................................13 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 737-800 ........................................... 88 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 737-900 ..............................................5 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 747-200B ............................................2 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 747-200SF ..........................................2 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 747-200F ..........................................11 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 747-400 ............................................38 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 757-200 ..........................................183 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 757-300 ............................................16 .............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 767-300ER ......................................59 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 767-400ER .......................................21 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 777-200 .......................................... 23 ...............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 777-200LR ........................................1 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• Boeing 777-300 ............................................2 ..............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?

• McDonnell Douglas MD

• McDonnell Douglas MD-11 ........................10 ...............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• McDonnell Douglas MD-88 ........................117 ...........Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?
• McDonnell Douglas MD-90 .......................16 ...............Triebwerke Kerosintank pro Tonne?

• 585.000.000 Dollar Kerosinrechnungplus

• http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/artikel/368/170867/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.193.11 (talk) 12:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)