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[edit] Welcome

Welcome to my talk page. Please add comments below. JJL (talk) 20:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please respect consensus

Please note that the consensus at Mito Umeta's AfD was "delete" NOT "redirect." Therefore, your recreation of deleted material was inappropriate. All links to the page were removed, and "Mito Umeta" is an unlikely search term for people looking for "Oldest people," which is one of only three results if one were to search their name. Please respect Wikipedia's consensus in the future. I have taken the liberty of removing the recreation, please do not recreate it in the future. Cheers, CP 07:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Philip Rabinowitz (runner)

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I was in the process of moving the contents of Philip Rabinowitz to Philip Rabinowitz (runner) to make way for a Philip Rabinowitz page on the better-known person by that name. They shouldn't be similar now. JJL (talk) 03:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The article that was there first has precedence. If you want to create a disambig. page, that's fine, but don't just delete the article that was there because you feel that your person is more important. Disambig. is fine, but changing "the" Philip Rabinowitz will require more consensus. Cheers, CP 04:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't delete it. I did consider a dab page but the runner seemed of clearly secondary notability. JJL (talk) 12:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I disagree, so I'm changing it to a DAB page. Cheers, CP 20:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. You might change the links intended for the mathematician as I did with Philip Rabinowitz (runner). JJL (talk) 20:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] JD edits 1/11

You changed the content of the JD article mistakenly. A JD does not require any study of history or philosophy at any university. Zoticogrillo (talk) 21:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I edited it to say ("requires little or no study of the history and philosophy of law")[1]. Are you sure you could back up your claim about any university? JJL (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need confirmation

[2]According to David Mitchell, "All taught Japanese-influenced systems.

1. Don't Copy & Paste "One" sentence. It is POV sentence. We need whole article. You omitted whole article.

2. I doubt it is real book source or not.

3. Don't delete other proven source. Manacpowers (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

In response: 1. Putting in the whole article (in fact, it's a book) would be a copy violation and senseless. 2. This is easily verified (e.g. through Amazon) with the info. provided. 3. I don't know to what you're referring here. JJL (talk) 16:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One more

The Overlook Martial Arts Handbook by David Mitchell [3]

first, We did not confirmed whole article from given source. This book writen about karate. Author is an Englishman and a well known karate- and budo exponent and teacher. [4]

This book written by karate teacher.(Originally Karate-POV book) not taekwondo book. also David Mitchell can't represent to all martial arts. Manacpowers (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have to actually view the source. Discounting anything written by someone who isn't already a TKD believer is precisely the problem. Please look at the book. JJL (talk) 16:05, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD question: Recombinant text

I have very little experience in AfD matters, and am asking for your input before nominating an article for deletion, because, quite frankly, I do not want to be seen as someone who capriciously nominates articles which do not meet AfD standards.

If you have time, please take a look at this article. It was created by the person who—as the intro asserts—is the very person who coined the term. Most of the edits are by that person. Most, if not all, of the sources link back to this person. I mean, at best it appears to me to constitute OR, at worst, self-promotion. But maybe I'm seeing it wrong. What do you think?

I selected you and many other editors pretty much completely at random; I picked one day's AfD archives, and clicked on the talk pages of the first two or three dozen editors' talk pages I came across. I hope that in using this selection method, I will get editors who are well-versed in AfD policies, yet who also represent a good cross-section of AfD philosophies. I will monitor your talk page for your response. Thanks. Unschool (talk) 07:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

It's certainly a well-written article (compared to the average) but I see many problems: WP:COI as you mention but also WP:RS (where are independent third-party sources covering it?) and WP:CRYSTAL (has this theory/proposal been accepted by anyone yet?). This is basically an essay on his theory, written by him, and I would agree that it should be deleted. If you want to take a more careful route you could mark it for WP:PROD first. Good luck! Please leave me a note if you do list it as having looked it over now I'll certainly want to comment there. JJL (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] rv Japanese nationalism/POV in favor of well-sourced facts

1. On the contrary, David Mitchell book is 'nonsense'. He is karate teacher. and his book is almost karate book. originally karate-pov book. also he can't represent to TKD. It is not trustworthy source.

All taught Japanese-influenced systems? first of all, Fighting style is very different. as i know, only 17% TKD techniques similar with karate. 13% are kung-fu. other are original technique.(derived from Song Duk-ki, the tekkyon master) mainly derived from tekkyon's kicking technic. so 'heavily influenced from foreign' sentence is nonsense word.

2. Kukiwon is world TKD headquarter.

Which one is the more trust worthy? 1. one karate teacher's karate POV book 2. official TKD headquarter. millions of kukiwon dojo and TKD teacher

3. Please, away your book from this article. He is not TKD scholar. He do not work for TKD. and his claim did not authorized from TKD organization.

4. also Your edit is violated wikipedia policy. Wikipedia:Content forking. and we did not confirm from whole article. Your source is unclear. but my source is clear.

5. if you keep David Mitchell's stupid claim(i still doubt it is real or not), it will be must actionable to attach 'hoax' tag. Manacpowers (talk) 19:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no need to copy your comments here. I am reading the TKD Talk page and responing there. JJL (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You did not prove any readable source. first of all, Fighting style is very different. as i know, only 17% TKD techniques similar with karate. 13% are kung-fu. other are original technique.(derived from Song Duk-ki, the tekkyon master) mainly derived from tekkyon's kicking technic. so 'heavily influenced from foreign' sentence is nonsense word.

and Karate is not Japanese made. It is invented by china. karate was carbon copy of chinese Tang arts. even karate learned korean never say karate is orgin from japan.(they called as "Tang soo do". They did not called as "空"手. They called as "唐"手.) they say it's origin from chinese "Tang" dynasty martial arts. it's not japan's.

also chinese encyclopedia said,

" 空手道,是由距今五百年前的古老格斗术和中国传入日本的拳法揉合而成的。那时，在硫球上层阶级间，暗中参考中国的拳法创出了独特的唐手，即最初的'空手道'。"

they say it's origin from Chinese Tang dynasty arts.

Chinese and Korean same said like that.

origin of 空手道(karate) name.

"から：汉字为"空"；这个字的解释有二：一为空,空手,手无寸铁;Kara亦可解释做"唐"的意思,唐者,唐朝也,唐代中国进入盛势,唐人即是中国人.故karate亦可解做唐手,即中国的手技也.但因子十年前日本统一Karate为空手,故其汉字(k anji)亦废用唐手此名. "(from chinese encyclopedia)

Chinese and 唐手道 learned korean say that karate originally from chinese Tang dynasty martial arts. They did not say, it is invented by Japan. do not mistake.Manacpowers (talk) 20:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

'TKD originally from Karate?' I think that you are not constructive editor. you are Japanese POV pushing Troll. Who believe your fabrication? Your only source is one karate teacher's book.(also can't readable to other. and did not authorized from TKD)

but i admit, TKD accepted Grade system (Dan), practice suit(道服) from karate. (borrowd some 'system') but karate originally from Chinese. Manacpowers (talk) 20:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

all Source proved. your edit is unclear source. your edit is some type of an unauthorized history.(野史) do not delete it. your source is unclear. my source is clear and fact.Manacpowers (talk) 00:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Tang soo do is not mean 'karate do'. "In Japanese, these characters mean "karate-do", but in contemporary Japanese karate-do" Who edit like that? if you understanding korean language. it is funny HOAX. no relation with karate. Korean called karate is karate. 'Tang soo do' is NOT mean 'karate do'. also please check Tang soo do homepage.[5] They did not mentioned that it mean 'karate do'.Manacpowers (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

This is best discussed on the Talk page there. JJL (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You revert this.[6] I already talke at Janggeom's page.[7] can you read this? [8](Korean) ITF 태권도인들은 최홍희를 태권도의 창시자라고 주저 없이 말한다. ‘창시(創始)’의 사전적 의미는 ‘처음 시작함’인데, 이는 최홍희가 태권도를 처음으로 시작했다는 말이다. 하지만 다르게 평가하는 사람도 적지 않다. 태권도 역사를 오랜 기간 연구한 한 교수는 “최홍희 총재는 태권도 창시자가 아니라 작명자다. ‘태권도’가 1955년 그의 제안에 의해 작명된 것은 부인할 수 없는 사실이지만, 그가 태권도를 창시했다는 근거 자료는 어디에도 찾아 볼 수 없다”며 “50~60년대 태권도협회 임원으로 활동했던 원로들조차 그를 태권도 창시자라고 말하지 않는다”고 주장했다. Manacpowers (talk) 04:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Translate to Japanese language version

ITF テコンドー人たちはツェホングフィをテコンドーの創始者と躊躇なしに言う. ‘創始(創始)’の辞書の意味は ‘始め’のに, これはツェホングフィがテコンドーを初めて始めたという話だ. しかし違うように評価する人も少なくない. テコンドー歴史を長年の期間研究した一教授は “ツェホングフィ総裁はテコンドー創始者ではなく名づけ者だ. ‘テコンドー’が 1955年彼の提案によって名づけされたことは否認することができない事実だが, 彼がテコンドーを創始したという根拠資料はどこにも捜してみることができない”と “50‾60年代テコンドー協会役員で活動した元老たちさえ彼をテコンドー創始者と言わない”と主張した Manacpowers (talk) 04:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, it would be more fruitful to talk at the Talk pages of the articles than those of individual users. In particular, I would appreciate it if you would cease posting messages here and keep the discussions at the Talk pages of the articles in question instead. JJL (talk) 04:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, POV fork. please do not change by your own will. without consensus. you are JPOV pusher. your theory(yes, theory) is not accepted by other. It is some type of "minority report'. That is not orthodox story. Manacpowers (talk) 06:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It's you who wishes to change the consensus and should discuss it at Talk. Again, I would prefer that you refrain from posting here and keep the conversation at Talk:Taekwondo where all interested parties can participate. JJL (talk) 06:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

first of all, please prove academic source, admit by TKD organization. You pick a Japanese nationalism/POV in favor of well-sourced facts. After all, you cut and paste only convenient records for you.Manacpowers (talk) 06:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your change is based on Japanese nationalism/POV in favor of well-sourced facts.(it did not authrized by TKD. and minority report) My change is based on orthodox source. from TKD official website. Your change is JPOV. my change is based on TKD official website. so my edit is more suit for encyclopedia. Manacpowers (talk) 06:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your claim is totally disregard TKD arts developer. They did not thinkg they developed Karate(Chinese martial arts, modified by Ryukyu people) arts. Manacpowers (talk) 06:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC) even ITF TKD founder also learend karate, it is not mean TKD is karate. TKD arts developed by korean's own skill. Manacpowers (talk) 06:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tang soo do is not mean 'karate do'

"In Japanese, these characters mean "karate-do", but in contemporary Japanese karate-do" Who edit like that? if you understanding korean language. it is funny HOAX. no relation with karate. Korean called karate is karate. 'Tang soo do' is NOT mean 'karate do'. also please check Tang soo do homepage.[9] They did not mentioned that it mean 'karate do'. Manacpowers (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop original research

[10] (in particular, most were based on Shotokan Karate). However, Korean nationalism would soon lead to significant changes from these base arts??? Wikipedia:No original research It is made by you. and POV word. Manacpowers (talk) 07:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

I've been watching the article for a long time but not participated in. You are always conflicting with Melnonbarnmonster and Odonen (can't recall his name correctly) on the relation between Taekwondo and Karate. Regardless of which is right or wrong, your last revert is not fair because the two main editors who has faithfully engaged in the article are banned for 24 hours. Right after that, you took an advantage of the chance. Just let it until tomorrow. Your complaint about some participant's break, well, I already know melon is doing that because other editors had complaints enough about him at Korean cuisine article. Just admit that the nature of Wikipedia is just like that. Every article is not fixed. --Appletrees (talk) 00:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TKD

Is there a reason why you're not being cooperative about which of your edits I reverted here. [11]? If you're going to accuse me of reverting, I have to right to ask which version you're claiming I reverted to.

I'm also waiting for you to give me the pertinent text or even a summary what Henning says about the Taekkyon during the Japanese occupation. If you're not going to back up what your accusation and claims, I'm going to assume that you were BS'ing when you brought up Henning in our discussion about self-published sources.melonbarmonster (talk) 02:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I would prefer to continue this discussion at the TKD Talk page. JJL (talk) 02:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been waiting for a response on these issues for some time already but I'll wait your response in the TKD talk page.melonbarmonster (talk) 04:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for mediation accepted

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[edit] AfD nomination of Shohei-ryu

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[edit] Your Help at Sonia Sui

Thank you for your support. Please feel free to let me know how I can improve in the future. Thanks again. TheAsianGURU (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to bring these over here! Please don't be discouraged. JJL (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notice of ANI Thread

Dear JJL, I notice that you have participated in this discussion. Anyway, please see here. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for letting me know! I had indeed wondered why a "new" page popped up on my watchlist like that. JJL (talk) 20:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

As did I. I'm holding off commenting in the discussion to see if a (3rd nomination) page is indeed created and this one is reverted back to the closed version. I just felt it better if the nominee or a neutral admin were to fixed the format instead. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Jeff Dwire

An article that you have been involved in editing, Jeff Dwire, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Dwire. Thank you. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 04:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks a lot. Your senseless and baseless criticism of my wikipedia entry concerning IMPACT- Charlottesville has proven that wikipedia is not, in fact, a public encyclopedia that encourages everyone to contribute sensible, informative and interesting articles. I believe as an administrator you have a duty to engender an ethos of contribution, not lambast it with non-existent local clauses. You spend way too much time on your computer and not enough in the real world and in short, are unworthy of such a position. I will immediately lodge a complaint with whatever authorities hold you responsible, and if that does not work, your fellow peers. Community service (talk) 17:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator on Wikipedia. Anyone can comment on an AfD. The rules require some interpretation, which is why discussion leading (hopefully) to consensus is encouraged. You may wish to take the matter to WP:DRV. I've had articles deleted too. JJL (talk) 18:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Community service

You are receiving this notice because you have had previous dealings with the above user, in, so far as I could tell, a less-than-positive fashion. Community service recently emailed another user, User:Tiddly Tom, expressing a desire to return to Wikipedia to constructively contribute. In an effort to assume good faith, but still respect the reasons for the block, I have set Community service a series of tasks for him to complete on his now-unprotected talk page so that he may demonstrate this willingness to contribute to us. These tasks are listed here, and the full discussion of this situation, including an email I sent to Community service just now, may be found on my talk page at User talk:Hersfold#User:Community service. I would encourage you to review these tasks, and offer any advice to the user he may need. Thank you for your time and understanding in this matter. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm all for having more passionate users who want to create and improve articles, so I hope all works out for the best. JJL (talk) 21:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Quick update - CS has emailed me to indicate he has finished the assigned tasks. I'll give you all a chance to review things before I take any action (unblock or decline - right now I'm kinda neutral on it) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I have no objection to unblocking him. I see from his Talk page that he promises to contact me to make amends then; that is fine by me. JJL (talk) 16:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Community service

Juxtaposed to my previous comments this may seem a little weird, but, nevertheless, I would like to offer you my sincerest apologies for calling you an innumerable number of names. As I outlined in my synopsis of the civility policy, my infractions are too numerous to detail. But, I wanted you to know that I have the intention of becoming a contributive member of wikipedia and appreciate the second chance.

Regards,

Community service (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message! I appreciate your comments and wish you luck on Wikipedia. JJL (talk) 03:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Karate. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 220.253.4.36 (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The term "vandalism" doesn't mean "edits you disagree with". I suggest you read further in the WP rulebook. JJL (talk) 18:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

You are removing sourced information, with no valid reasons. That is vandalism, and your input on the talk page also raises suggestions as to your motivations. 220.253.13.106 (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

In addition, you removed the reference from the offical Ryukyu culture archives. 220.253.13.106 (talk) 01:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zipota

Not trying to pick a fight - but it would appear that you created the zipota article. I must confess that in spite of my considerable knowledge of many things Basque this is a new one to me. I've followed the links and searched the literature (that I got here) and the web for all terms mentioned in the article - including variations and different case endings in Basque but I'm drawing a complete blank. Could you point me to the primary source that you used/refer to or would refer to for support this as a Basque sport? I've followed the links but they mostly seem to be forum discussions which aren't really what I'd call reliable evidence either way ; ) Thanks! Akerbeltz (talk) 11:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for asking! I am no expert in this specific area of the martial arts. I saw it listed elsewhere on the web and it has periodically made an appearance on the Savate and other martial arts pages so I took what I could find and made a page. I am aware that many people think it was created by the school in Texas and others think it's just a local/corrupted name for Savate as practiced in or near the Basque region. Seeing an obituary [12] that mentioned it prominently was encouraging to me but of course this was almost certainly submitted by the family. Sorry, I worked with what I had! JJL (talk) 12:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I've reworded it... take a look. I think it can stand the way it is now and we could take off the hoax note. It IS a martial art by the looks of it, just not indigenous Basque. Akerbeltz (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Snafu

See if you can find more reliable sources about this - If you find more RS for Snafu Comics I'll withdraw the nomination :) WhisperToMe (talk) 03:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Calcagni

Thanks for participating at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Calcagni. The article Thomas Calcagni is a bit better now. You might want to take another look at it, especially the references. --Eastmain (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hapkido

Nice changes to the hapkido article, one which I contributed quite a bit to but feared changing a great deal and so mostly 'added to' rather than changed. Much is awkward in the article as it stands though, I think, so your changes and more like them are welcome.--Mateo2006 (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement! I started with a 'test edit' knowing that, as the article itself stated, there is some sensitivity over historical issues. But the real issue to my mind is that the lengthy "History and Major Figures from Korea" detracts from telling people what HKD is and what's distinctive about it. JJL (talk) 02:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2004 European Football Championship - Bulgaria

Hey man, just to let you know, I have removed your vote on this page as the AfD nomination was not yet complete. I have now completed it to include the articles about the other teams at Euro 2004. Feel free to vote again, taking the other articles into account. – Pee Jay 14:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] please note discussion re Academic Degree and J.D.

Please note the discussion opened up on removing reference to the J.D. in the Academic Degree article. Zoticogrillo (talk) 01:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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