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1 Criticism of declining quality
2 NPOV
3 The Professionals
4 The Bill
5 Last of the Summer Wine
6 Press Gang
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[edit] Criticism of declining quality

Hi. You added something to the "Criticism of declining quality" section of The Simpsons article. You need to add specific citation in order for it to be kept in the article. Which specific DVD commentary are we talking about? --Maitch 23:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Point taken. If memory serves me correctly, they mentioned it on either the third or fourth season commentaries. I'll plough through them to find particular instance and add appropriate citation.

I have watched the commentaries for season 1-4 and I don't remember anything being said like that, but I could of course have forgotten it. Until then I've removed your text and moved it below. When you find your sources you can put the text back in the article: --Maitch 17:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It might also be noted, as commented by the writing staff on several of the box set DVDs audio commentaries, that there was similar outcry about declining quality in the early years. After the generally down-to-earth first two seasons, when seasons three and four came along, with more ambitious storylines, some fans sited that the series had dropped in quality. Again, as noted on the DVD commentaries, many now regard the third and fourth seasons as the show's "golden era".

[edit] NPOV

Please (re)familiarize yourself with what "NPOV" means. "Non-NPOV" does not mean "from one person's point of view"; non-NPOV material is material that is biased rather than neutral -- whether one person's or a whole group's. --EEMeltonIV 00:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, **biased**. As in saying "this is dumb" or "that is good" or "this is better than that". It is a subtle but very different thing from listing a belief of some parties, *but awaits conformation from an official source* - hence the point of the ^{[citation needed]} tag in the first place! If it were worded (in this case) "Airwolf is not shown BECAUSE xxxxx", *that* would be POV. It is a very grey area but there IS a difference! =)

I've been following this, and have to say I kinda see both sides. Wikipedia should be kept for fact, but at the same time, it’s a very blurred area where fact becomes personal comment. I personally think that it is okay to mention that some people have certain beliefs, as long as it is cited correctly (or at least acknowledged that it needs citation). Wording is also very important. For example, saying "Some people believe man didn't land on the moon" is very different from saying "I believe man didn’t land on the moon". I think this particular case was worded adequately enough to be left in the article. DukeBoy78 03:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Professionals

Hi there, I asked a question about one of your additions to the article (which I removed); if you'd like to comment on it, it's at Talk:The Professionals (TV series). Fourohfour 13:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bill

Hi, - I've added a message on The Bill's talk page about the recurring characters section - please could you read and reply. Many Thanks, ( Just The Q ) ( talk ) 18:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last of the Summer Wine

Thanks for all of the hard work that you're doing with the Last of the Summer Wine articles Bluap 17:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad it's being appreciated =)

[edit] Press Gang

Hello. Thanks for your work developing the Press Gang article. When you add facts (such as here), could you please remember to add a citation. The paragraph about "Deadline" can be sourced with one of the existing sources, but without a citation would fail the GA nomination. Cheers. The JPS^{talk to me} 17:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You're quite right, I was looking for place to site, as the info came from old e-mailing list. Jay Firestorm 22:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Hi. Again, my thanks for your work. In addition to the source, could you please provide a fair use rationale when you're uploading fair use images.

Just so you know, I wouldn't spend too much effort uploading these. I think the way things are going, screenshots in lists will be removed later in the year. They are considered by many (including me) not to be fair use. They are not adding anything of educational value to the list -- it's just there to look pretty. e.g. what does an image of a chalk outline of a body give us that the episode summary doesn't?

I'm not going to remove them from the PG list because other lists have images. Just a warning, though... it won't be long before it becomes policy, and you'll see all your hard work (capturing the images) deleted. The JPS^{talk to me} 22:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad it's appreciated. I know it's grey line of how many captures are accepted, but numerous other TV shows have them, so I thought we'd try it and see how long they stay ;) Jay Firestorm 22:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Yeah, as long as you're not disappointed when (or if) they have to be removed. It can be heartbreaking to see a day's work disappear. Last year one user spent hours upon hours uploading magazine covers without realising that it wasn't fair use. He was so unhappy that he turned into a vandal and still leaves harsh personal attacks messages on my talk page every few weeks -- 7 months later!!! The JPS^{talk to me} 22:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Jay, I must inform you in good faith that you are being mislead (and images in LOEs are unlikely to disappear any time soon) - there has been tons of discussion regarding fair use images in lists (Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists), the general consensus is that they are perfectly acceptable as long as they are used within a good amount of text that the image is providing critical commentary on, they must also be backed up with a fair use rationale explaining why they are fair use, if you would like I will happily help you with your fair use rationales so you may reintegrate your screen captures. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

As much as the fanboys insist upon having pretty pictures to accompany a very limited amount of writing, they are very rarely fair use. They are not providing critical commentary. The images have to provide something the text doesn't. Unfortunately there are more teen fanboys than not. The JPS^{talk to me} 16:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair point, but maybe you'd like to tell that to the numerous other episode listings on Wikipedia (check out any of the Star Trek series, for example, or any show of such nature). They all get away with it; I just wanted to represent our show a little more. The pictures don't necessarily have to illustrate something that the text doesn't; they can also summarise the episode. I'll read up on my fair use, as it is a very blurred line at the moment, In fairness, I was just going with what other show's pages get away with =) Jay Firestorm 18:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The Real Ghostbusters

I noticed your edits to the article and I'd like to extend my thanks and praise on that... future editors may not see the relevance but it's nice seeing a detailed layout of who showed the cartoon over here... many fond memories of watching it when it was on Motor Mouth and Ghost Train... there's even some snippets of those two shows on my original television recordings of the cartoon... so thanks for the burst of nostalgia and for helping develop the article :) .-Kingpin1055 15:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Highwayman

Since the episodes were broadcast out of order (confirmed by references in one episode) why did you swap the last two back to broadcast order? —MJBurrage • TALK • 21:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The Apprentice (UK)

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