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April 3: 1882 – Jesse James, an outlaw in the American Old West, was shot in the back and killed for a bounty of US$5,000. 1895 – The libel trial instigated by Irish author Oscar Wilde began, eventually resulting in Wilde's arrest, trial and imprisonment on charges of homosexuality. 1922 – Joseph Stalin became the first General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. 1948 – The Marshall Plan (poster pictured), an economic recovery program established by U.S. Secretary of State George Marshall to assist the post-World War II re-building of Europe, was signed into law. 1971 – The Japanese tokusatsu television series Kamen Rider premiered, marking the beginning of the long-running Kamen Rider franchise. 1973 – On a New York City street, Motorola researcher Martin Cooper made the first public call on a handheld mobile phone. More events: April 2 – April 3 – April 4 Archive – By email – More anniversaries... It is now 02:10, June 14, 2008 (UTC) – Refresh this page

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Whoa... for April 3 it has "1968 - Elvis Presley sings "Heartbreak Hotel" on the Milton Berle Show, with an estimated 25% of the United States population viewing." That can't be right. I'm pretty sure that Elvis made his comback special in 1968; it couldn't have anything do with Milton Berle, whose show ended long before 1968. Maybe the person means 1958? And Ed Sullivan?

(posted by User:24.218.204.31 at 06:35 UTC, 2005 September 22.)

[edit] Kamen Rider premier

--SB | T 23:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek is a bigger franchise,and it isn't listed in date articles, either.. Star Trek's cultural footprint is huge - with thousands of Wikipedia articles linking to the main Star Trek article. Here's another example, The Beatles have over 5,000 cross-links. In order to argue that a franchise beginning rates mention in a date article, it really should have a big cultural footprint. You've mentioned movies, and a couple of countries, but what's the actual impact? How does Kamen Rider compare? After checking "What links here", we can see that Kamen Rider has as about many cross-links as Elmo. And that's just not a big enough foot print. With Elmo as the standard, date articles would be flooded with such "events" and rendered nearly useless. There is talk of setting up additional types of date articles to cover entertainment, weddings, etc. So don't give up hope. Rklawton 00:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The only thing the 'what links here" data indicates is that Wikipedia is lacking in coverage of Kamen Rider, which is something I already knew and am attempting to rectify. Please provide valid reasoning that actually make sense.--SB | T 17:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to mention that the number of cross-links of an article does not provide credence to the cultural impact of something. It's evident, to me at least, that Kamen Rider has had something like the impact of Star Trek, albiet not in the United States. Bastique▼^parler _voir 17:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you propose to use as a measure of impact? Rklawton 23:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think, frankly, to continue to reject pure nonsense or complete non-notable events, and judge the remainder on a case-by-case basis, then everything will be all right. That's the way it's been done, correct?

I don't question your judgment Rklawton, you are a valuable contributor. I simply believe that leaving this item off may not adequately reflect a worldview. Bastique▼^parler _voir 21:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your concerns regarding world view. I used Google to support my conclusions. Unless there's something self-selecting about this particular fan-base that would preclude them from mentioning Kamen Rider on the web, then it's a reasonable measure. Of course, I've overlooked an important aspect. I've only searched on "Kamen Rider." Are there other permutations or character sets that should be included? After all, if this is a Japanese phenom, then it seems appropriate to search using the various Japanese character sets as well. Rklawton 21:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I just checked "仮面ライダ" (from the article page) on Google and came up with only 86,000 hits. However, I think "Masked Rider" translates as "仮面". This returned 7 million hits. "Star Trek" returns 47 million hits - illustrating my point about footprint. If you can recommend a different search, that would be useful. Rklawton 21:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually watched this show when I was a kid growing up on the other side of the planet in the 1970s where it was and still is known as 幪面超人. It's very notable. 星空奇遇 (Star Trek) was not as popular back then. Both shows were dubbed in Chinese, in case anyone is wondering. I support the inclusion of the premiere in the events list, and even as a Selected Anniversary on MainPage, as long as the date & time is verifiable. -- PFHLai 04:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, language aside, I don't think checking the internet is that useful to determine the notability of things most popular before the internet age. The first 2 waves of 幪面超人-mania in the Far East (at least in Hong Kong & Taiwan) took place in the 70s and 80s (no internet), roughly the time between when Captain Kirk left and Captain Picard appeared on TV screens. Star Trek then kept going strong, with subsequent spin-offs and movies coming on as the internet grew. This may explain the big difference in Google counts. The numbers would be quite different if people were able to build websites and blogs in the 70s. -- PFHLai 06:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC) [P.S. Thanks for bringing back some interesting childhood memories. :-) ]

So the show was greatly popular during its run - in one country - and had minimal lasting impact afterwards. It sounds like you've got the makings for a great article, but not for any entry of events with a global historical magnitude. Rklawton 14:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Rklawton, I hope this is just a careless mistake. But to lump China and Japan as one country (Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere???) is rather offensive. I'll apply WP:AGF, as I'm sure you didn't mean it.

I was refering only to Japan. Rklawton 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

While I was referring to Hong Kong and Taiwan, i.e. China. -- PFHLai 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't say much about things after the 80s, as I've moved to the other side of the planet. But I'd say 幪面超人 is still a East Asian cultural phenomenon. (Ditto for Ultraman.) It's not Godzilla, but it's high up there in terms of notability.

Furthermore, please consider regional historical magnitude, instead of global. Back then, things didn't spread that widely. While the event lists are often loaded with non-notable items that deserve to be trimmed off, let's not over-do it with the trimming. The first appearance of 幪面超人 is a worthy item for the events list. --PFHLai 19:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

If you'll read the date articles' project page, you'll see we're trying to limit events to those of global significance. Rklawton 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I know. I'm saying, in this case, you are cutting too much. -- PFHLai 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Especially with the first issue of the TV Guide still on the list. Who outside USA & Canada would read it ? -- PFHLai 21:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The TV Guide is still there, so I've returned Kamen Rider to the list. --PFHLai 14:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

On a different note, I'm a big fan of Ultra Man, Godzilla, and Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot. My poor parents had to contend with a kid who thought stomping on his toys was all part of the fun. I doubt they ever understood. They never ever considered helping me build a model train set. Just as well, I suppose. It wouldn't have lasted. I finally did learn how to fly, though. Rklawton 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Good for you. :-) BTW, I was never a fan of 幪面超人. But I have childhood friends who would jump off their bicycle, pretending to be 幪面超人 flying off his motorcycle. --PFHLai 20:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus

Can we get a source cited for the death of Jesus Christ being dated at April 3, 33? 66.17.118.195 18:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

See Chronology of Jesus#Day of death. April 3, 33 is just one of several possibilities. --199.71.174.100 20:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)