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Contents 1 Anthony Nesty? 2 POV 3 Olympics leads to democracy? 4 Women's Judo 5 Reference 6 YouTube links 7 Why did the 1988 Olympic Games begin in September? 8 Official anthem

[edit] Anthony Nesty?

This article says that Anthony Nesty was "the first black person to win a swimming title". but the article on him says that he was "the second black athlete to win an Olympic medal in swimming (after Enith Brigitha) in Montreal 1976)". I assume that it is this article that's at fault? MagicBez 10:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

According to the IOC database, Brigitha won a pair of bronze medals in the 1976 Games. That makes her the first to win a medal, but not a title. Nesty was the first to win a gold medal (i.e., a title). -- Jonel | Speak 01:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

"The host was chosen in a 1981 vote, defeating the Japanese town of Nagoya" sounds a bit anti-Japanese. --Menchi 23:59, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Why? Graham :) 00:08, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

For starter, the author seems to be carefully degrading Nagoya, a huge city, as a "town". Not any town, a "defeated" town. --Menchi 00:14, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I expect that calling it a town was an honest mistake. I've changed it to "city". As for it being "defeated", well... it was defeated in this vote, but OK, I'll tweak it a bit. See what you think. --Camembert

Excellent paraphrase. --Menchi 00:21, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hello. I removed these IMHO what is perhaps severely POV against Koreans and seemingly dishonest additions that were made by 59.171.229.61 on 05:17, 17 December 2006 and somehow left undetected until 21 February.

• In the opening ceremony, white doves, “the symbol of peace” were hit during the ignition ceremony of the flame-holder. However, they lighted it although these doves were standing on the flame-holder, so lots of doves were burnt to death.

Unfortunately, this is quite real. I saw it happen. It was terrible. It spoiled the whole games for me. I've rarely seen anything as brutal and uncaring. During the Nagano games, when dove-shaped balloons were released, CBC announcer Peter Mansbridge commented that this and future opening ceremonies would no longer use real doves because of those that had been burned at Seoul. This fact should be included somewhere in the article, and I have a recording of Mansbridge's statement. --Bluejay Young (talk) 06:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

• During the games, native Korean spectators rushed to the competitions Korean players participated in. However, on the other hand, in the meeting places Korean players didn’t participate in, the seats were completely vacant.
• The second round in bantamweight class boxing, a Korean boxer lost a judgment to a Bulgarian boxer. Then the Korean coaches got furiously angry, entered the ring, struck a referee and raised a scuffle uproar. And although other matches were still performed on the other rings, Korean officers turned off electricity of the amphitheater and went home.

If someone can find citations for these statements made by the above user (who seems to have a japanese right-wing tendency by his editing of Ito Hirobumi) please post them back. If not, then please delete this.

24.203.170.94 01:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Olympics leads to democracy?

"South Korea's government became a democracy under the pressure of organizing the Olympics." This sounds wonderful, but do we have anything to back up this statement? I find no reference to the Olympics in any other articles on South Korea's history, and to be honest, this statement just seems a little too bold. Ghost 14:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually I think that there is enough evidence to point to a quelling of democracy. To prove to the world how modern and clean Seoul was the government hired gangsters to clear out slums which were bulldozed, often with possessions still inside. Seongyedong Olympics a documentary by Kim Dong-won (perhaps the first Korean documentary) shows the struggle of one such community against an uncaring government. Also the recent film Holiday (also based on a true story about a group of prisoners that break out of jail around this time and caused quite a stir in Korea especially in their protest of a law that allowed the government to add additional "preventative" sentences to repeat offenders...this law was not repealed until 2005) has a dramatazation of these events. I believe that this article should contain information (or link to another article) about these events. Although I believe it will be hard to find english language resources to cite. Rufusde 16:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women's Judo

"Women's Judo"... We're kinda left hanging as to why Women's Judo is a highlight. Anyone got something to add here? Ghost 14:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Women's judo was new in 1988, so I'm guessing that that's what whoever put that bit in there was aiming at. I've completed the sentence in the article ;). -- Jonel | Speak 17:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

American boxer Roy Jones Jr. loses the gold medal to South Korean fighter Park Si Hun in a controversial 3-2 judge's decision, despite clearly dominating the fight.

As this is a non factual statement but a matter of opinion (I've never seen the fight) a reference is needed or IMHO it should go no matter how clear the dominating is. Even if a reference can be found, it should be rephrased to make it clear this is an opinion (e.g. despite dominating the fight in the opinion of many/some/whatever). References from a fairly neutral party, e.g. a UK source or something rather then an American (or South Korean) source would be good Nil Einne 01:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• One UK source, as requested - BBC article. Average Earthman 10:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 06:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why did the 1988 Olympic Games begin in September?

Why did the Games begin in September and not July? Isn't South Korea in the northern hemisphere?Politician818 02:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I was just wondering about this. I recall hearing (by word-of-mouth, not in the press) that South Korea was afraid North Korea would sabotage the games (e.g., opening reservoirs to cause flooding) and they spent a lot of time setting up various methods to defend the games (e.g. building channels to divert floodwaters). I thought perhaps there'd be a better explanation in the article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

In Korea, summer(June~August) is hot and rainy season.

But autumn(September~October) is clear and sunny.

So autumn the most pleasant season of the year.

This is why the Olympic was opened in September. -- Plus 06:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC+9)

[edit] Official anthem

Anybody know the Seoul Games' theme song? Eaglestorm (talk) 03:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hand in Hand (Olympics)

Produced by Giovanni Giorgio Moroder (Italian)
Composed by Tom Whitlock (American)
Sung by Koreana (Koreans)
Length - 4:13

lyric:

See the fire in the sky
We feel the beating of our hearts together
This is our time to rise above
We know the chance is here to live forever
For all time

Hand in Hand we stand
All across the land
We can make this world
a better place in which to live
Hand in Hand we can
Start to understand
Breaking down the walls
that come between us for all time
Arirang

Everytime we give it all
We feel the flame eternally inside us
Lift our hands up to the sky
The morning calm helps us to live in harmony
For all time

Hand in Hand we stand
All across the land
We can make this world
a better place in which to live
Hand in Hand we can
Start to understand
Breaking down the walls
that come between us for all time
Arirang

Hand in Hand we stand
All across the land
We can make this world
a better place in which to live
Hand in hand we can
Start to understand
Breaking down the walls
that come between us for all time
Hand in Hand

Breaking down the - hand in hand - wall between us
- Hand in Hand - breaking down the wall

-- Plus 17:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC+9)