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[edit] Greg Moore
Should he really be included here? He seems to have been born here, but is most widely associated with Maple Ridge. He went to school there, he has a community centre named after him there and it is where his funeral was held. I have been unable to find any substantial associations with him and New West aside from being where he was born.
[edit] Move Image
Regarding the article the map of the gvrd is inaccurate. New westminister includes part of the extreme north of Lulu Island which is the island currently designated as Richmond. That district of New Westminister is called Queensborough. I would update it but I'm not computer savy enough to be able to do so. However I do appreciate the effort the new authour put into the new map, it is a substantial improvement over the old one.
- Thanks; made the change to both New Westminster and Richmond location maps. Qyd(talk)18:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
The photograph of the Pattullo Bridge on the right is covering some text. Would a kind person please move it a little lower? I am still a newbie to Wiki and its syntax. Thanks!
[edit] 2001 census?
I feel embarassed that I don't know this, considering I'm from this city... but is there really a 2001 census? Down here in the states we do 70, 80, 90, 00, 10 for census'ing. But it may happen more in Canada as there's 1/10 as many people so they could do it more cause it doesnt cost as much to perform, and I mean money or time. Especially compared to US, India, and China. Redwolf24 10:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
- yes, we have it every 5 years. 1996, 2001, 2006... see the article at Canada 2001 Census. -- Earl Andrew - talk 10:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Salmonbellies Mann Cup Wins
The following dates are from the Salmonbellies page currently linked in the article; not sure if these should be in the article, or as a footnote; and not sure how to make a footnote properly. So here's the dates:1915,1916,1917, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1927, 1937, 1943, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1965, 1970, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1981, 1986, 1989, 1991. I'd go so far as to venture they should have their own article at some point, likewise the Vancouver Burrards and Coquitlam Adanacs. Ditto with the New Westminster Royals hockey team. I'm not a sports fan but I know these are historically important teams, and were once something that made New West famous in the Mysterious East.Skookum1 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Was it Labatt's or O'Keefe's in Sapperton?
My Alzheimer's is kicking in: I should know this, having driven past it x000 times in the last fifty years. Labatt's wasn't it? I would have put it in the historical geography and/or Sapperton sections if I was sure.Skookum1 21:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
-->Yes it was Labatt's. Before 1970 it was Lucky Lager. User: WikiMart
[edit] New Westminster O'Keefes and New Westminster Adanacs
Please see question on Talk:New Westminster Salmonbellies.Skookum1 22:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Historical photos issues
As you might guess, all the good older photos of New Westminster are in public archives; all those currently listed are from the BC Archives. I know from experience in dealing with them that for non-profit use it's OK to display their images, or thumbnails thereof, provided the Archives credit and photo number is included on the display page, and the image links through to their data/information page for the image; in the case of the drill-hall image, the last one I've added, it would be http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-740C24/cgi-bin/text2html/.visual/img_txt/dir_70/a_07718.txt . The idea here is that, given the amount these images could enrich Wiki historical articles/sections, is it possible to have a Wiki page "summon" an outside online image; or is Wiki sufficiently non-profit enough as a body to simply use handmade thumbnails with the image linked through; the drillhall's imagethumbnail is http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_sml/dir_70/a_07718.gif, which if ordinary HTML will work would go <img src="http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_sml/dir_70/a_07718.gif">New Westminster Drill Hall</img> Let's see if that worked....Skookum1 00:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Nope, so no point in trying the A HREF tag either. Can this work at all? Might help if there's an extant policy from BC Archives about Wiki use; I get away with it at http://www.cayoosh.net because it's for-free, unpublished etc. Any knowledge here about how Wiki image policies apply? I just think that this page, and a lot of other BC pages, especially for ghost towns, mines, ships and people, could be seriously enriched by the inclusion of BC Archives photos (VPL's a lot stickier).Skookum1 00:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't remember anyone doing this and succeeding. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 03:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Too bag. I'll have to study the govt copyright tags acceptable in Wiki and see what applies; it's conceivable the Archives might issue a dictum/letter authorizing use, but that still isn't within Wiki policies, or is it? From what I remember in my discussions with them, the thumbnails can be used on public-education sites (non-advertising, non-profit) so long as the photo ID and the link-through are in place. Or because Wiki is a profit-making corporation (somehow? How does Jimbo Wales earn anything off this vast undertaking anyway?) and/or may or may not be published in hard copy for sale, that might disqualify the Archives' public-permission sensibility; or not. Wiki is so new, so unusual, that it might strike the archivists/administrators that the benefits of people being able to see their collection far outweigh the $35/img they charge for commercial use. Is Wiki or is Wiki not commercial use anyway?Skookum1 07:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Check out Wikipedia:Image use policy. It's a bit of a rat's nest, but basically, non-commercial and by-permission images are frowned upon. heqs 15:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Columbian newspaper
Formerly John Robson's British Columbian, d. some time in the 1970s as I recall; once one of the province's flagship dailies. Needs an article; this is a note for later, or for some other industrious media-fan Wikipedian. Hint, hint.Skookum1 08:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hey guys
Hey guys, is it worth noting thw whole coquitlam newestminister shenanigan over the 1 lane bailey bridge? TotallyTempo 01:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ah yes, the Braid-United Way Non-Connector....should definitely be here somewhere; is there a United Way (Coquitlam) article, or Braid Street? The civic politics is interesting; New West wants to be an important city "again") but doesn't want traffic passing through it or even being able to get in (or out) of it easily, even though it touts itself as being at the centre of the GVRD. "We want to be king of the csstle, but all you riff raff are going to have go go through Burnaby" etc. yeah, right it up, just don't be as POV as I would ;-)Skookum1 (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] External links galore
Removed the following external links per WP:NOT
===Historical Photos===
*[http://www.nwheritage.org/heritagesite/photos/index.htm New Westminster Heritage Page: Historical Photographs]
*[http://www.nwphoto.org/ New Westminster Photography Club]
====Early Years 1858-1870s ====
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_69/a_04373.gif Early View of Columbia Street, west of 6th St., c.1859] <!--BC Archives caption says c.1850 but this is impossibly wrong, as New West wasn't cut from the bush until the fall of 1858; this would seem to be 1859, if it's the '50s, since not much would have been built yet; could be late fall of '58 though-->
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_02258.gif Government offices at New Westminster, 1860, including Treasury, Assay Office, Post Office and Mint.]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_117/c_09286.gif Indians encamped on banks of Fraser, New Westminster, 1860s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_101/a_01670.gif View of New Westminster, 1861]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_68/a_03328.gif View of New Westminster, c.1863] (Government House at left; the cleared area is roughly that of the BC Pen and Woodlands)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_72/b_03618.gif New Westminster, Early View, 1863]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_102/a_02800.gif Government House, c.1865]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_128/e_04073.gif Government Buildings, New Westminster, 1865]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_126/e_02199.gif Boardwalks in New Westminster, date undetermined]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_105/b_03605.gif Part of the New Westminster waterfront, c.1865]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_128/e_03962.gif Gathering of First Nations people at New Westminster for Queen's Birthday, 1865]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07979.gif Columbia Street, 1868] (approx. at 5th or 4th St., looking SW)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07977.gif Wharf adjacent to Columbia Street, 1868]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_101/a_01674.gif New Westminster May Day Celebrations, 1871. w. maypole]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_101/a_01676.gif New Westminster May Day Celebrations, 1871].
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_75/d_00536.gif The Hyack Band, c.1878]
==== Age of Opulence 1880s-1890s ====
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_101/a_01387.gif Irving House, c.1885] (on Royal Avenue, former home of [[William Irving (steamship captain)|Captain William Irving]], now home to the New Westminster Museum)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_68/a_03353.gif New Westminster Provincial Gaol, c.1885]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_121/d_04733.gif Main Street, New Westminster, 1886]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_121/d_04735.gif Main Street, New Westminster, 1886]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_01687.gif Hyack Fire Brigade, 1890s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07718.gif New Westminster Drill Hall, c.1890] (standing today at 6th St @ 1st Ave and home of New Westminster Regiment and its museum)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_05685.gif Columbia Street, 1890s] (c. 4th St)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_102/a_03351.gif The Provincial Asylum for the Insane] (sometime between 1885 and 1897)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_80/f_04142.gif Looking East on Columbia Street from near CPR station (8th & Columbia), 1889]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_69/a_04379.gif Columbia Street looking east, c.1895] (from c.9th Street: CPR Station, now Keg restaurant, at right)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07750.gif St. Anne's Convent, New Westminster, 1898]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_05686.gif Columbian Methodist College, 1898] (an example of the [[Victorian Gothic]] variation of the [[Queen Anne Style architecture|Queen Anne]] style)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_69/a_04374.gif Columbia Street, 1897] (apparently looking east, c.6th Street] <!--that looks like the old City Hall at near left, the post office was next to it on the corner of 6th-->
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_69/a_04377.gif Columbia Street looking east, 1897]
====The Great Fire - Sept. 10, 1898====
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_102/a_03361.gif Ruins of the New Westminster Courthouse following the Great Fire of Sept. 10, 1898]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_103/b_00768.gif View of Columbia Street after the Great Fire of Sept. 10, 1898]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_103/b_00769.gif View of Columbia Street after the Great Fire of Sept. 10, 1898]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_00770.gif Columbia Street, the day after the Great Fire, Sept. 11, 1898]
*http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_68/a_03363.gif Columbia Street after the Great Fire, 1898]
====A City Reborn - 1900s-1930s====
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_69/a_04903.gif New Westminster Waterfront, 1900s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_83/h_00333.gif Columbia Street, c.1900] (reason for gathering not stated in caption)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_72/b_06846.gif New Westminster Market, 1900s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_73/b_08019.gif Ships loading lumber, New Westminster waterfront, 1900s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_69/a_04664.gif View of New Westminster from High School, 1900s] (area of Royal Ave or 1st Ave)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_103/b_01101.gif Opening of Fraser River railway bridge, 1904] (beneath Pattullo Bridge today)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07103.gif Columbia Street, looking East from Albert Crescent, 1912] (showing interurban)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07102.gif Columbia Street looking West, c.1912] (c. 1st Street)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_73/b_08599.gif Douglas Hotel, New Westminster, 1920s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_105/b_03957.gif City Hall and Post Office, 1919] (corner of Sixth and Columbia Sts)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_02372.gif Royal Columbian Hospital, 1900s]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_74/c_03822.gif New Westminster Exhibition Grounds and Buildings, 1902]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_02697.gif New Westminster Exhibition Buildings and Grounds]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_01474.gif New Westminster Sawmill, c.1911]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_70/a_07101.gif Columbia Street Looking West from Blackwood St, 1912]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_138/g_00148.gif Columbian College football team, 1910] ("football" here probably means soccer)
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_77/d_06454.gif New Westminster CPR station, 1929] <!--location is a bit of a mystery; this isn't 6th @ Columbia; Sapperton maybe?-->
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_73/b_09353.gif Providence Orphanage, New Westminster, 1930]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_73/b_09355.gif Providence Orphanage Chapel, c.1930]
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_71/b_01018.gif Chinese United Church, New Westminster, c.1930]
==== 1940s-1960s ====
*[http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/www2i/.visual/img_med/dir_130/e_06841.gif Star Shipyard, New Westminster, 1940s]
If anything can be used to reference article content, they should be used as references, but not as a links collection. --Qyd 17:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Old pictures shouldn't have to be external links anyway
I've seen those external links to BC Archives photos in other articles too. Most or all of those pictures, linked above, can just be properly uploaded and used as needed anyway. I've uploaded lots of BC Archives photos and have had no problems. PD Canada is used for anything before 1949 with the {{PD-Canada}} tag. See conversations here and here.CindyBotalk 09:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and see this government website here too, which states very clearly "All photographs taken on or before Jan. 1, 1949 that are not Crown works are in the public domain and may be freely copied. Photographs taken after that date are copyrighted for the life of the author plus 50 years". However these pictures may not be able to be uploaded to Commons as they have to be Public Domain in the US as well, and that seems to have more to do with publication dates than creation dates.CindyBotalk 11:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- I believe that only applies if they were published in the United States. All very confusing and often contradictory....anyway6, I compiled these sort of knowing this would happen; there were just too many good images to go ignored; it was when I was researching these that we start4ed to have the "use of BC ARchives photos" discussion a year ago. At least the links above are "handy" for getting at New Westminster pictures for later article expansions; there should definitely be a separate article one hte Fire, I'd say.Skookum1 (talk) 16:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Samson V Maritime Museum
....should have an article; here's their site.Skookum1 (talk) 07:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] CNR bridge north abutment
I found this while looking for something else; back to discuss it later, I'm busy elsewhere.Skookum1 (talk) 02:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pics
I just added a new picture from the Hyack Anvil Battery Salute into the section where that's discussed - problem is, the formatting there is kind of wonky. Would it maybe be preferable to replace one of the historical shots instead, or move the new one to a different section? (I'd have put it in the Politics section, it being the Mayor, but there isn't one...) I leave that question for the regular editors - just wanted to add a fresh shot for the article. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
