Talk:Munich air accident (1960)

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[edit] Which category?

This article is listed under Category:German air disasters, which in turn is a subcategory of Category:Accidents and incidents on commercial airliners by country. However, the accident did not occur on a commercial airliner. Logically speaking, the Category:German air disasters is not a subcategory of Category:Accidents and incidents on commercial airliners by country.  Andreas  ^(T) 20:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not in the business district, see discussion.

The streetcar was on Martin-Greif Street. This street is on the periphery of the downtown area. No shops are there, and this is not an area where shoppers would stroll. I know this very well because I used to live nearby, actually across the street of St. Paul's church whose steeple was hit by the plane. After the accident, the area was quickly filled with people who came to see the disaster out of curiosity, obstructing the passage for the emergency vehicles. Although I saw this with my own eyes, I cannot put this into the article because it would be original research.

There is a plaque at the corner of Martin-Greif and Landsberger streets commemorating the victims (at least is was there after the accident, I hope it is still there). I live far from Munich now (in Canada), so I cannot take a photo of the plaque, but maybe somebody living in Munich could do it and post it here.  Andreas  ^(T) 02:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying the location! Obviously, when I made my recent changes in an attempt to expand the article a bit I was relying on information that was in error (taken from the New York Times and Time Magazine articles published that week in 1960). The articles were likely written by people unfamiliar with the area. I've also read conflicting information on whether all the deaths on the ground were just those people on the streetcar. One source said 16 of those killed on the ground were in the streetcar, which would mean there were other passers-by that were killed. I wanted to leave it open that others on the ground besides the streetcar riders were killed, because of the conflicting information. Such a tragedy, in any case. Although it made the front page of the New York Times, I assume that it was still overshadowed by the mid-air collision in New York City the day before. Sadly, trying to find information on this Munich crash isn't very easy, at least with the usual Google method, so once again thanks for fixing my errant changes.

If you're sure the church steeple was St Paul's, please feel free to put that back in the article. The sources I read weren't always clear about which church was hit by the plane, so I made the article vague in that respect. Itsfullofstars 04:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)