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[edit] Silverwood Industrial

To my knowledge the industrial area directly north of Silverwood Heights is still (despite a major redesign by the city) Silverwood Industrial. Anyone know which SDA it belongs to? 23skidoo 17:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably Lawson. Maybe a quick call to the city would result in a swift answer? They could probably provide a full, up-to-date list as well. Sven Erixon 17:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about quick. I tried to find out the current land area of Saskatoon (after the Blairmore annexation) and I couldn't find anyone who could actually provide me with that information! I get the feeling City Hall isn't very well organized for these sorts of things. And there also is some inconsistency when it comes to names. For example, some maps show the name Westview, but the area is generally known as Westview Heights. I added a few alternate names here and there as well that have been used over the years. For example, Varsity View is also known as Brunskill. 23skidoo 18:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure all maps that are actually located at City Hall use the same naming conventions. Unsure if that includes maps that they release/distribute. Did you talk to anyone in the City Planning/Land Development departments? Sven Erixon 18:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do we really need a template?

I mean, realistically, are there ever going to be articles written about each of Saskatoon's communities? I don't think any of them would survive AFD if they were created. Personally I'm surprised this list has survived for so long without being deleted. 23skidoo 17:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought that if the public schools and high schools all have their pages, and other cities have their neighborhoods online, and the electoral district (stubs) and if roads and highways have their own pages, I felt it would be exciting to have Saskatoon's neighborhoods online. Photos of older and newer areas of the city's neighborhoods, combined with history and development. Saskatoon is growing and evolving fairly quickly in the realm of neighborhoods, maybe not quite so fast as when it was a Hub City. Let me develop a few neighborhood articles, so I can see what is available about such... and then lets see if there is enough info to warrant this or no.... I may be optimistic :-) SriMesh 26 January 2007 (UTC)

True, there are articles about neighbourhoods in other cities, but they tend to be a bit more notable. I guess all I'm saying is whoever creates the articles on, say, Nutana Suburban Centre had better load it up with references and sources and notable information otherwise someone will slap an AFD nomination on it. I've seen it happen. Electoral districts and things like bridges and highways are generally considered inherently notable (though I've seen many AFD attempts, some successful some not), but neighbourhoods unless you're talking about neightbourhoods in major metropolitans cities have a tough row to hoe. 23skidoo 17:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I tried to create an article on one of the more obscure neighborhoods like Meadowgreen, I'll check out how it goes, as I go along. I hope it works out, I am a bit biased, being a life time resident of this city, and figured if little Saskatchewan towns can have a peek online, then a neighborhood of comparable size should also have a go. I appreciate what you are saying, and I shall try to write up the articles so they are presentable and valid entries.

Nutana Suburban Centre has been started. I would still like to get pictures, and more links on this page, but a rough draft of an article is there. SriMesh

We'll see what happens. The time lag between an article being created and going to AFD (or PROD) can vary from a few minutes after recreation to a month or more. Basically until someone notices it who thinks every article in Wikipedia should be about Shakespeare and nuclear physics. These days, strange as it may sound, the hardest articles to get to survive around here are those on localized topics (such as neighborhoods) and articles on porn stars. No fooling. The key is to get as much information as possible into the articles (without violating WP:NOR) so that should an AFD challenge occur it's easier to defend. 23skidoo 17:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for writing articles on Saskatoon's neighbourhoods. While it's true that they might not have the same depth of history as neighbourhoods in a major metropolis, I think there's enough interest in them to warrant trying. I have been the major contributor to the places in Saskatoon on Wikimapia, and I've usually been able to dig up some interesting facts about them. Drm310 20:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed that the popular image thumbnail size of 350px on some of these neighbourhood pages is causing some serious formatting problems. I'm on a 1280 x 854 screen; some images overlap article text or tables, making any embedded links inaccessible. I tried reducing the thumbnails on the Silverspring page to 180px, and it looks better. I looked at some other neighbourhood pages from other cities, and smaller images seem to keep the formatting cleaner. Drm310 15:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment on image size, I have some more pictures taken, and as they are added I will use the teenier sizing. Hopefully the weather becomes spring like consistently and then I can add 'summer' as well as 'winter'pics of our beautiful city. SriMesh SriMesh Julia 18:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference for place names

I've been using the City of Saskatoon's zoning address map (ZAM) page (http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/city_planning/zam_maps/index.asp) as the authoritative source for the names of neighbourhoods. Anyone else using a different source? Drm310 15:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I use the official city map issued each year by the Saskatoon Chamber of Commerce, which presumably comes from the same source. I haven't noted any glaring inconsistencies, except some maps show one neighbourhood name as "Westview" while others show "Westview Heights". The city did do a rearrangement of community boundaries in the 1990s because prior to that there was no (for example) Adelaide/Churchill area; it was Adelaide Park and Churchill as separate communities. 23skidoo 15:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also been using the ZAM maps or the map at Selling an Idea or a Product Does anyone know where to classify the Management Areas. As I have been building neighborhood profiles, I bump into a management area to the east or west or what have you, and I cannot find its proper SDA home on ZAM. SriMesh SriMesh Julia 18:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

One of the neighborhoods which was created in the same format as all the others in naming convention is Wildwood, and the name has been changed from Wildwood, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan to Wildwood, Saskatoon. Should I put re-directs on all of them now? Or is it OK that the one has been changed? SriMesh SriMesh Julia 18:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for truncating the article name after "Saskatoon". It seems superfluous to have "Saskatchewan" on the end of every one of them. Drm310 21:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the key would be to look at similar neighborhood articles for the likes of Vancouver or Toronto and see what name format they use. 23skidoo 02:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rosewood

I support leaving it unlinked for now. Although its name and that of its neighbour Brookside do appear on some maps (I have one put out by the Chamber of Commerce that shows it) and it is also referenced here and here, the name could be changed in the future. I will be adding Brookside to the list (again without link). I will add a citation to the Saskatoon Civic Report, though, just for verification. 23skidoo 04:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

How timely... I was at the Homestyles show this past weekend, and one of the builders had a city map which included up-and-coming neighbourhoods. Rosewood was marked on the map, in the area that is currently identified as the Southeast Development Area. A source I have that works for the city says that the land will start being serviced this year. Drm310 05:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Any sign of Brookside? My recollection is that it was supposed to be the community directly east of Rosewood, but the latest online city maps suggest it and Rosewood have been combined. 23skidoo 14:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I saw no mention of Brookside on that particular map. Rosewood was the only neighbourhood in that vicinity. It also showed seven unnamed neighbourhoods surrounding the Blairmore Suburban Centre, which is consistent with the city's West Sector Plan document. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drm310 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Wouldn't be the first time plans were adjusted. 23skidoo 15:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The neighborhood articles need major work

I've been looking at some of the articles linked from this list and they need major work. To be honest I think that it's a miracle they haven't been nominated for AFD. First off, the articles need to have "home salesman phrases" removed such as the one I just removed from the Exhibition article: "Beautifully located". That is not Wikipedia style and instantly makes the article a violation of WP:NPOV. I've worked on a few of the articles and have suggested them as templates such as Nutana Suburban Centre, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (compare this one with the one on Exhibition - not in terms of content but in terms of style). The intros also need to take into account that the articles are potentially going to be read by people worldwide, who need some context as to what they're reading. I strongly recommend that the articles be given a thorough rewriting and wikifying otherwise -- and I've seen this before -- it's only a matter of time before they draw the wrong kind of attention and as most of the articles currently stand, it would be difficult to protect them from AFD. It is exactly in order to "stay under the radar" that I have refrained from putting "Cleanup" tags on them. 23skidoo 05:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps if some of us agreed to do some cleanup, using the "divide and conquer" tactic? I'd be willing to tackle all the neighbourhoods in one SDA (e.g. University Heights), using the Nutana S.C. article as a template. How does that sound? Drm310 05:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Will desist from using colorful adjectives in future write ups. When doing several of these, there is a desire to give each neighborhood there own description seperate from another, which is why some were too colorful perhaps. Will also try to add more pictures and more information about notable people from each locale. Thanks again for comments, and desisting from tags--it is a learning curve and so far the articles are kind of holding their own for the time being. It is good that one of the very first article ever written is good for a template. Have been surfing Wikipedia and comparing these articles to other neighborhood articles as well as time goes on...SriMesh Julia 04:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking through Category:Neighbourhoods by country and just pulling a few randomly...These seem to show Saskatoon neighborhood articles in a good light...Robina, Queensland, Patricia Heights Rio Terrace Quesnell, Quartiere San Lorenzo, Berryhill, Oklahoma, Bankview, Calgary, Eglinton East

However these are better....this is what to use as templates...perhaps ...Neighborhoods in Boston, Massachusetts, Stari Grad, Belgrade from FA city articles which were perused as well. SriMeshJulia 16:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm practising the WP:LEAD paragraph and showing progression on the discussion pages...I contributed quite a bit to another seperate entity article which is trying to be nominated for GA-status!!! So I am working on developing leads...So my practice neighborhoods are...assey Place and Meadowgreen, Dundonald and Parkridge...Are the lead paragraphs getting any better? SriMesh|talk Julia 02:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking good to me. I've been meaning to contribute more myself, but time has not allowed for it. FYI, I e-mailed the city planning branch and asked for their permission to use the images in their neighbourhood profile docs. It would be nice to show a neighbourhood's location in relation to the rest of the city. Drm310 21:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sask-A-Boom

An interesting article, but does it need a reworked context? I think it would be more appropriate as part of a "History" section, which describes how the city's neighbourhoods developed. For example, Populace Spring 2006 shows the history of the city's boundary expansion. I think this would be a more appropriate context. Drm310 05:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Added the Sask-A-Boom article to a newly created article called History of Saskatoon. The populace article is fascinating! It is not copyright, so I added some information from it...perhaps it can be reviewed? I have also e-mailed the images to the permissions wiki-image editor to see if the images can be put online. SriMeshJulia 04:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The history page is a great spot for all the relevant content about Saskatoon's past. I haven't had a chance to review it in detail, but it looks like you've done a good job at organizing the content and citing sources. It also moves a lot of extraneous content off of the main Saskatoon page, which is a good thing. Well done! Drm310 14:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other wikis as references

I noticed that some citations in the neighbourhood articles reference other wikis (Wikimapia, specifically). Unfortunately these are prone to vandalism, and therefore should not be considered reliable sources on their own. One example of this was the Holiday Park neighbourhood; someone wrote that the area had originally been called "Mesopotamia", but nowhere have I found any information to back this claim. Other places nearby had equally absurd descriptions (e.g. a school being called the HMS Titanic), which was clear evidence of vandalism. When I began adding Wikimapia places, I regrettably did not think to put links to the sources of my information - I was a wiki newbie then. Now I add links whenever possible, to back up the information I enter; that should be cited as the source. Drm310 05:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh thank you! I did use this as a source, as you had been doing an awesome job on what I had seen you entering at Wikimapia, and what I was familiar with myself. I haven't to date seen this reference either, but will keep my eyes open, as I begin to attack the library next... Do you know about the Nutana Suburban Center being named Utopia to begin with, and they were about the same era? I will watch what are primary source and which are secondary source documents just like in genealogy from now on. :-)SriMesh Julia 00:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I did find a reference on the City of Saskatoon site for Utopia City of Saskatoon Archives - The Saskatoon History Quiz, so it is good to go... will still investigate Mesopotamia however...:-)SriMeshJulia 00:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hampton Village

I looked through the article and haven't seen any mention of the new Hampton Village under construction. Mr. C.C. 05:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it. Mr. C.C. 05:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming?

Instead of using neighbourhood names of the format "Caswell Hill, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan", it would be more Wiki-friendly to use names of the form "Caswell Hill (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)"; for instance, it means your link looks like this:

[[Caswell Hill (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)|]]

instead of like this:

[[Caswell Hill, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan|Caswell Hill]]

Mr Death 07:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that the inclusion of the province is too long. I've looked at a lot of neighbourhood articles across Canada and around the world, and there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus for naming conventions. The most common format I've seen used is Neighbourhood, City. An existing article, Wildwood has set a precedent with this format, so I would recommend that we use that one for the rest. Drm310 16:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

If it helps any, the Canadian Press Style Guide says that if a city is sufficiently well known by its name alone, and that there aren't other places of the same name, then it's not necessary to add a province or country designation. Saskatoon is considered one of those places. 23skidoo 17:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

all pages have been moved to Neighborhood, Saskatoon from Neighborhood, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.SriMesh | talk 01:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Watch these for AFD. They were flying under the radar but some might attract attention. If any get nominated, please make a post on here and maybe a hurried rewrite will save it. Drm310 (talk) 03:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

So I found this picture on another page. Two questions: I didn't know Sask allowed gated communities, is it the province or city that decides these things? Where is this place? It says "The Gates at Heritage Green" or something like that. Thanks. Kevlar67 08:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any restrictions on gated communities, though they certainly are not the norm in Saskatchewan. I assume the city has jurisdiction over this and any other type of development within a given subdivision. Heritage Green is in the southeast part of Saskatoon, within the subdivision of Wildwood. Drm310 04:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a private development, not one created by the city, so they can gate all they want. That street is no different than a driveway into a private apartment block. As long as the street isn't intended as a public-access roadway, maintained by the city, they can gate all they want. Presumably those homes are bareland condos and they share ownership of the roadway. 23skidoo 04:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The articles still need work

I've been more or less only a part-time Wiki editor since posting my earlier concerns about the articles needing work. I just checked and man, they still need work. I just had to translate several paragraphs in the Fairhaven article into English, and when I read the opening paragraph of the Parkridge article, I just threw up my hands. If my workload ever lets up I'll spend a few days and give these articles the revisions they deserve, but I'd love it if someone with a grasp of grammar could get in there before me and make these articles readable. It's only a matter of time before a deletionist discovers these articles, and if they're poorly written with incomplete sentences, some of which to be blunt are gibberish, the whole lot is gonna be sent to AFD and I'll be hard pressed to defend them. 23skidoo 04:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you - they need major work. What we really need is a template - a common format for all neighbourhood articles to use. Some of the headings in the articles are repeated, and others are just bizarre. I'm only a part-time editor myself, and these need some devoted time to improve upon them. Drm310 20:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Here are my suggestions to improve the neighbourhood articles:

1. Ensure every article has a proper introductory paragraph/

2. Replace the mishmash of headings with the following general headings, in this order: History, Government & Politics, Education, Parks & Recreation, Commercial, Location, References, External Links

3. Merge headings that are overly specific or of limited interest into the ones listed above, e.g. Shopping > Commercial, Roads/Transportation > Location, Post Office > History, Protected Buildings > History, Layout > Location, Lifestyle/Life > Parks & Recreation

4. Delete ambiguous or otherwise useless headings ("Features" is meaningless, mentioning Saskatoon Transit service seems pointless, etc.)

I have rewritten the Silverspring and Buena Vista articles to reflect this - I would encourage you to review it and give me your thoughts. If you strongly object to how it appears, feel free to revert the changes, but please explain why. Drm310 21:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought of another couple of major headings, should they prove useful: Demographics, and Institutions (with subheadings of Education, Health Care, Public Safety (e.g. fire, police, courts, correctional services, etc.)). Drm310 14:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts on these. When I left the (rather strongly worded) comment above I did so with the assumption that I myself would also be making some of these improvements, but then real-life workload prevented me from doing anything more than some token work. I do plan to give these articles a once-through myself when time permits. I'm actually pleasantly surprised they haven't gone to AFD yet as I've seen similar articles nominated - and deleted - in the past. (Similarly I am surprised the Saskatoon shopping mall articles have survived, given that a mall article from Calgary is currently in the AFD chopping block). That doesn't mean someone won't turn their deletionist eye upon these articles one of these days, so if the articles are well-written the hope is the AFD axe might be stayed. 23skidoo 20:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Continuing my efforts to improve the articles, I have also rewritten the ones for Nutana and Wildwood. I have also changed the Nutana article name, as per the discussion above. I will soon rename the two I already rewrote, as well as any future ones. Drm310 08:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm putting down any major rewrites in a new section below. Drm310 13:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Rewrites/Renames or New Articles

Silverspring - 27 September 2007
Buena Vista - 27 September 2007
Nutana - 4 October 2007
Wildwood - 14 October 2007
Varsity View - 15 October 2007
Riversdale - 21 October 2007
Briarwood - 22 October 2007
King George - 25 October 2007
Westmount - 31 October 2007
University Heights Suburban Centre - 31 October 2007 (new)
Erindale - 11 November 2007
Arbor Creek - 11 November 2007
Grosvenor Park - 25 November 2007
Adelaide/Churchill - 28 December 2007
Willowgrove - 5 January 2008
Lakewood Suburban Centre - 7 January 2008
Sutherland - 16 January 2008
Silverwood Heights - 27 January 2008
Lakeview - 01 February 2008
Lakeridge - 03 February 2008
College Park East - 02 March 2008
College Park - 13 March 2008
Forest Grove - 23 March 2008
Rosewood - 31 March 2008
Sutherland Industrial - 17 April 2008 (new)
Greystone Heights - 20 April 2008
U of S Lands South Management Area - 18 May 2008 (new)

Drm310 (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Exhibition, Saskatoon 13 May 2008
C.N. Industrial, Saskatoon‎ 13 May 2008(new)
Agriplace, Saskatoon‎ 13 May 2008(new)
Marquis Industrial, Saskatoon‎ 13 May 2008(new)
Airport Business Area, Saskatoon‎ 13 May 2008(new)
Briarwood, Saskatoon 13 May 2008
Eastview, Saskatoon‎ 13 May 2008SriMesh | talk 02:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Added a teeny bit more info to as the schools were re-oriented to the localities or neighborhoods for notability concerns for the elementary schools.

Mount Royal, Saskatoon as it started as a one sentence stub.
River Heights, Saskatoon as it too started as a one sentence stub.SriMesh | talk 03:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I've also done some rewriting for Stonebridge, Saskatoon. Where did "geographically localised" (a term I removed from the article) come from? That's getting too technical. Call a residential community a residential community. I've also made some factual corrections and updated some information. 23skidoo (talk) 14:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brookside

I'm going to remove this reference for now. The current City planning maps so no such community in the SE area; where it previously appeared on maps it now says Rosewood and the area plan map for Rosewood shows it taking up most of the current SE area, and what's left is earmarked for non-residential development. We can always add it back later if the city changes its plans. 23skidoo (talk) 14:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Watch out for needless trivia

I just removed some irrelevant trivia from the Forest Grove article pointing out similarites between the area's population and that of some towns in the US or elsewhere. That's NN and is the sort of thing that will attract attention from the deletionists. I'm quite pleased to see the neighbourhood articles have lasted this long without someone going on an AFD-nomination spree. We need to make sure the content doesn't attract too much "what's the point?"-style attention. 23skidoo (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been eliminating that sort of content as I've rewritten the neighbourhood articles. I'm sticking to the basic formula I established when I began this task last year.

I only have a few articles left before I have all the neighbourhoods in the Lakewood and University Heights SDAs completely revised. Finishing Nutana SDA neighbourhoods will be my next goal. Drm310 (talk) 19:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

This concept was an old instruction from an old WP:lead....The 5 points of Context, Characterization, Explanation - Compare and contrast and Criticism were what I had used as outlined at...Talk:Dundonald, Saskatoon. Now I will use WP settlement writing or guidelines which seem to be what is more acceptable to the general wikicommunity. Sorry about causing the extra work. SriMesh | talk 01:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Will also work on updating infoboxes. The Template:Infobox neighborhood has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. from Template talk:Infobox neighborhood SriMesh | talk 01:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been using Template:Infobox settlement on my pages. Using it seems to be the consensus amongst most of the contributors. Drm310 (talk) 19:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Schools

School articles created are being deleted as they lack notability, WP Education in Canadan supports school articles....There are several conversations about AFD and notability re schools such as User:Eusebeus/School Notability.. The neighborhood articles may be a good place to serve Saskatoon school and WP Education needs. As they can congregate the information about the schools which aren't in the news. Comments? In Eastview, Saskatoon is the community infobox as well as the school infobox, acceptable? Is there a way to make redirect from school titles to the neighborhood articles to serve this purpose? Comments? SriMesh | talk 01:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There are two options for school articles that were suggested one was the municipality articles such as these neighborhood articles, the other was the school district. The school district articles may become very long as for Saskatoon alone the Greater Saskatoon Catholic School Division Saskatoon Public School Division both list several schools, but the neighborhoods only list 2 or 3 or 4 elemntary schools. High schools seem to survive AFD, but elementary schools just go away very quickly. :-( SriMesh | talk 02:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of elementary schools - anywhere - lack notability, and therefore don't justify standalone articles. My suggestion would be to do the writeup of the schools inside the neighbourhood articles. Keep the school board articles as they are with the list of schools, and form the links to each school as [[Neighbourhood article#Education|School name]]. Drm310 (talk) 03:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Added school infoboxes to Eastview, Saskatoon for Pope John Paul II School, Nutana Park, Saskatoon for Prince Philip Public Elementary School, Exhibition, Saskatoon for Seventh-day Adventist Christian School and St. Frances School, Meadowgreen, Saskatoon for W.P. Bate School. Added defunct/decommissioned schools to Saskatoon Public School Division from neighborhood articles. WP CA ed would like History, Academics, Athletics, Departments, Staff per each school article. Can the neighborhood articles be marked with a {{ Saskatchewan-school-stub}} As well should the neighborhood article talk pages also be marked as {{WikiProject Canada |class=|importance=|education=yes|sk=yes|community=yes }}

Should they be tagged as well...{{Category:Education in Saskatoon|School name}} ? Well this last idea doesn't work such as it does for categorizing biographical articles by their surname. :-( Tried to categorize Eastview, Saskatoon as {{Category:Education in Saskatoon|Pope John Paul II School}} and it didn't put Pope John Paul II School into the Education in Saskatoon Category, something weird happened involving two other categories instead. SriMesh | talk 04:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much both public and separate schools have been re-routed to the neighborhood articles where the Education section can add... as per WP Ed CA which would like Pictures, infobox, History, Academics, Athletics, Departments, Staff per each school. Secondary schools have survived, so the elementary schools should be fleshed out within the neighborhoods if possible. See these two lists Greater Saskatoon Catholic School Division Saskatoon Public School Division as well as their talk pages for more comments about this process if you wish more information - re naming M of S thingies.SriMesh | talk 03:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Something has to be done about the school infoboxes in some neighbourhoods (e.g. College Park East). For article will little text content, it's really wrecking the layout and making the articles visually unappealing. Any suggestions for improvement? Drm310 (talk) 04:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The prose in the article should be filled out to supplement the infobox information, then the article would look better, if the article could be longer to correspond to the length of the infoboxes, and one image moved to the left rather than right as the infoboxes all are right aligned. The other option would be no infoboxes for the schools, just add all the information suggested in the school infobox to the article itself in prose format. SriMesh | talk 03:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Industrial areas

Started to finish off the red wikilinks in regards to some of the industrial areas...such as Airport Business Area, Saskatoon Comments before all are finished...Is this a right way or wrong way? SriMesh | talk 01:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I would stick to the format established for other neighbourhood articles. I created an article for Sutherland Industrial and adapted it to suit an industrial subdivision. Obviously some things in a residential neighbourhood don't apply to an industrial one (e.g. Parks and Recreation, etc.) but most others do. If we keep things consistent then it will look good and keep them safe from AfD nomination. Drm310 (talk) 03:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger?

There are articles for Prairieland Park Exhibition, Saskatoon Saskatchewan Western Development Museum Marquis Downs - should any be merged or can all be developed as they are? The Prairieland Park article just survived 5 tags recently. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 02:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think if each can be expanded a bit more, they could be standalone articles. If not, then I think that Marquis Downs and Prairieland Park could be merged into a new article entitled Saskatoon Prairieland Park Corporation, which is the legal name of the nonprofit corporation that owns all the properties. Marquis Downs and Prairieland Park can then be made into sections which describe each of the facilities. A more extensive history should also be written about the Saskatoon exhibition, as it originated in 1886, and was located at two other sites prior to the current one dating from 1910.

Saskatchewan Western Development Museum should also be left alone and expanded, so it describes all the WDM locations across Saskatchewan and not just Saskatoon's. Are we certain that Saskatoon's WDM is within Prairieland Park's jurisdiction, anyway?

The WDM is a part of the Prairieland Park map on their website, but not a part of location rentals, and the WDM can be rented.

Exhibition, Saskatoon is a neighbourhood defined by the city. It merits its own article since all other neighbourhoods have their own too. Drm310 (talk) 05:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neighborhood Pictures

Several neighborhoods have pictures now, and several schools as well (More public than separate to date). The Nutana Suburban Development Area Blairmore SDA neighborhoods all have pictures on each neighborhood now I believe, as well as the Core Neighbourhoods SDA neighborhoods. commons:Category:Saskatoon and commons:Category:Saskatchewan. Have been trying to flesh out neighborhood articles re education section which also contain school photos! It may be time to list those neighborhoods/schools which lack photos now. SriMesh | talk 03:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

These east Saskatoon neighborhoods are lacking photos...~~College Park East, Rosewood, Brevoort Park, Greystone Heights, Grosvenor Park, Holliston, The Willows, Forest Grove~~ ~~(Photos being uploaded)~~ Out of 36 total articles that's coming along! There are about 4 articles still using wrong infobox and my poor format (sorry) Haultain, Brevoort Park, Holliston and QE. SriMesh | talk 03:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

These west Saskatoon neighborhoods are still lacking photos. (strike these out as they are updated) River Heights North Park Richmond Heights Agriplace Hudson Bay Industrial Marquis Industrial Hudson Bay Park Massey Place Parkridge (coming along out of 39 articles...)

These articles need work wrong infobox ( I just didn't know the template community infobox could be used on a neighborhood rather than a town/city) (strike these out as they are updated) Caswell Hill, City Park,, Central Industrial, Kelsey-Woodlawn, Lawson Heights, Lawson Heights Suburban Centre North Park Richmond Heights Blairmore Suburban Centre Hudson Bay Industrial Marquis Industrial Confederation Suburban Centre Dundonald Fairhaven Holiday Park Hudson Bay Park Massey Place Meadowgreen Montgomery Place Pacific Heights Parkridge

Needs more info Hampton Village Mount Royal SriMesh | talk 04:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to be judicious about pictures. Pictures are great if they illustrate a point in the prose of the article. If they are just there for the sake of being there, then they look like clutter and detract from the article. Here are a few ideas I'd like to propose:

The skyline image for the Settlement infobox should be of a building, place or event that uniquely identifies the neighbourhood and sets it apart from all others. A building with particular architectural significance, or a park or other location that is a landmark in the neighbourhood would qualify.
One school image per article, in the school infobox. Any more are redundant and look like filler.
Images of parks, recreational facilities, or commercial centres should go as inline images under the appropriate heading.
Images from the last two points should not be used as the skyline image unless there is particular significance to either, or there is a lack of other notable things/places/events to photograph.
Quality should be more important than quantity.

I've also found that using a {{clr}} tag at the end of some sections with left-aligned images can help. If you look at Sutherland Industrial, I put one at the end of the Industrial section with the photo of the rail yards. That forces the Location heading under the image, instead of it flowing to the left of the image (because there wasn't enough Industrial text for it to wrap around the image). NOTE: If there is an infobox to the right, this code will force all subsequent text underneath the infobox. Drm310 (talk) 06:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I found a solution to the problem that I noted above... an image and several section headings beside an infobox. To make a section heading clear the image, but not the infobox, use the HTML tag <br clear="left" />. You can see an example of this in the Varsity View, Saskatoon#Parks_and_recreation section. Drm310 (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Public services

I am wondering if the "Public Services" section in Briarwood is needed. The information there applies city-wide and really isn't specific to the neighbourhood itself; it could be put in any neighbourhood article. If there was a fire/police/ambulence station in the neighbourhood, it would be worth a mention (e.g. Riversdale). Just want to avoid needless repetition. Drm310 (talk) 06:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Just doing the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements topics for settlements - can make it more specific by adding the health services offered in the community/public transit to the suburb/nearest fire hall as well - I just hadn't driven out to find the info., and it wasn't online - but if not specific to the suburb enough it can go - there should be something for most subdivisions I think, as tis included in the city expansion planning. For SFPS there are three divisions to police protective services which are described online, and 8 fire halls which are not. SriMesh | talk 15:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image Guidelines

Some use of images in the neighbourhood articles have been somewhat indiscriminate. In accordance with Wikipedia:Images#Image_choice_and_placement, I would like to propose some formal image guidelines.

[edit] Quality

An image's subject should be clear from its thumbnail size.
Photos taken in dim light or from moving vehicles should not be used.
Photos taken in winter should only be used if taken near midday with clear skies. The limited daylight and the sun's low angle in winter can make photos too dark to view.

[edit] Relevance

Images must relate to the prose of the article.
Limit images to one per subject (e.g. park, school), unless it's sufficiently notable to use as a skyline image.
Photos that are not distinctive to the neighbourhood (e.g. look like they could be of anywhere) should be avoided.

[edit] Placement

Images about a certain topic, person or place in the prose should be placed as close as possible to the relevant text (e.g. a park image should go under Parks and Recreation, a school would be in Education or school infobox, etc.
The skyline image for the Settlement infobox should be of a building, place or event that uniquely identifies the neighbourhood and sets it apart from all others. A building with particular architectural significance, or a park or other location that is a landmark in the neighbourhood would qualify.
Avoid placing images in short sections of prose, as they will misalign the flush left alignment of subsequent section headings. This can be overcome by using the tag <br clear="left" />, as long as a large gap of white space does not result.
Place images below headings so that they don't misalign the heading.
Left align images whenever they are beside infoboxes.

(sorry, forgot to sign this before) Drm310 (talk) 20:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to above

(I added this header as the Image Guidelines thread was not signed by whoever added it). I agree there needs to be a bit more discrimination on images. Wikipedia is trying to cut back on the use of images in general, and an article with too many images might draw the wrong kind of attention. (I keep seeing AFDs on articles from other cities similar to these neighborhood articles). I personally feel only one main photo is needed, from a layout and ease of reading perspective, with additional photos being added only if they are of a notable landmark or are of historical value. For example the article on Montgomery Place only needs one good neighborhood photo, but it would be justified to include images of the AgPro grain terminal, the Chappell Rail Yards and maybe also a shot of the Circle Drive right of way. Even though the images used are clearly safe from a Fair Use perspective, since most if not all are being taken by the contributors, we should be looking at quality over quantity, otherwise a third party could raise concerns over "Wikipedia is not a gallery" issues. 23skidoo (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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