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[edit] PCF membership figures?
Does anyone have current membership statistic for PCF? I recall just i few years back PCF was still the largest party in France in terms of membership. That might have changed now, after the unification of the right-wing into a single party. --Soman 12:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It's probably still true - Communist parties generally cling to old-fashioned cadre-based structures, which modern political parties don't need or even want. The Japanese CP is by far the biggest party in Japan, while polling about 5% of the vote. Adam 02:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- I wonder how the party structure is related at all to the membership figures. Soman, PCF has about 138.000 members. The left-wing single party, UMP, has about 200.000 members (though this is said to be mostly fictive by many opponents). The French Socialist Party, PS, has less than 120.000 membrs. So, PCF is no longer the largest party. ManuelMenal 11:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I think you mean to say the UMP is a right-wing party. In any case, as I said above, there is no relationship between formal membership and voting support or even organisational strength. I would bet a lot of the PCF's members are elderly and/or inactive. Adam 23:50, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Sure, right-wing party, sorry. It's true that while most of the activists are young, many members keep their card to support the Party, although they're not very active. PCF organisational strength is still quite important, though, as shown by the referendum on the EU Constitutional Treaty. ManuelMenal 09:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a member of the PCF. That's true we've got a lot of members even if we don't have many voices. Arnsy 23:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The UMP has by far and away the largest membership in France. The PCF is second and its members tend to be very politically active from what I can tell, which belies its actually electoral support.
[edit] Ideology
There must really be a section about the PCF's ideology, complete with quotes from party manifestos and officials. I can translate some stuff and do research, but I don't think I'll have the time to do so any time soon. WGee 07:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] El Jigue to be banned again
I just placed and insert into Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which read into the ""After the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the outbreak of World War II in 1939, the PCF (French Communist Party) was declared a proscribed organization. The PCF pursued an anti-war course during the early part of the Second World War." Maurice Thorez head of PCF "deserted from the French Army and fled to the Soviet Union. " [1] ." This was deleted within three minutes because it was alleged that France was not important to this matter [2] and I expect to be banned again soon. Will be back after ban ends. El Jigue 3-24-06
[edit] recent edit
some comments on latest edit:
- "Currently, the main voter base of National Front is sociologically similar to that the Communists used to have (unskilled workers, low-paid workers and the unemployed). Thus, during the 1980s the PCF vote fell sharply." Article already states that PCF lost votes to FN. That the vote-base of PCF was "unskilled, low-pais workers and the unemployed" is difficult to explain considering that PCF received around 25% of votes.
- PCF does not play a minor role in French politics. It was the backbone of the no campaign to the EU constitution, for example. It does not play the role it did 20 years ago, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.
- Hardly was PCF the backbone of no-campaign. The no came as a result of contributions from both extreme left and extreme right, plus (major factor) those who subscribe to traditional French Souverainism.--Constanz - Talk 16:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
- Pol Pot was a member. But he cannot take up half of the 1950s-chapter. Perhaps there should be a list of PCF members, to encompass the vast mass of politicians, writers, etc.. that have held PCF membership. --Soman 12:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
- I guess you agree that Pol Pot is a more important figure than a certain X.Y., eh? If you find 1950s section too short, then do not delete but add smth.--Constanz - Talk 16:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not questioning Pol Pot's notability. Rather I question his importance as PCF member. Many people who would become leading politicians in former French colonies were members or politically trained by PCF. The article ought to reflect this collective experience, rather than dropping anecdotes. --Soman 16:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately Pol Pot, Stalin and other comrades were not anecdote figures (true, Brezhnev became one). --Constanz - Talk 16:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree with Soman, inside the PCF, Pol Pot was a minor figure, with no role in the shaping of the Party. If you can prove the opposite, present your references. Thanks! Afonso Silva 22:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Communist Party of France
Wasn't there another party called the Communist Party of France that also had seats in the National Assembly recently? What was the deal with that?
I don't think that is so. Adam 08:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The relations with the remaining communist parties
The PCF is increasingly away from its communist counterparts. It ceased participating in the Avante! festival, for example. The party is not a communist party anymore and lives now in the shadow of a glorious past, the building in the Colonel Fabien plaza is a proof of that. The marxist-leninist faction calls the current CC the PC-PGE (PGE stands for Parti de la Gauche Européenne, the European Left Party). Recently, the PCF issued a poster with Che Guevara featuring a red clown nose, Che is not a sacred cow, however, joking with a marxist-leninist fighter that died for the revolution, is a thing that a politically serious party, such as the European M-L parties, like the PCP or the KKE or the former PCF would never do. What comes next? Colonel Fabien with donkey ears? The social-democratization of the party is real and should be presented a major issue in the present PCF. Mário 22:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anti-Intellectual?
Hi can someone tell me what this paragraph (from the Pol Pot) page means? It says that the FCP was anti intellectual? In what sense?
Pol Pot joined the French Communist Party (PCF). Within the anti-intellectual PCF, Pol Pot's poor academic record was a considerable advantage and helped him to quickly establish a leadership role for himself.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
- The paragraph had its roots in Philip Short's biography (Pol Pot: Anatomy of a Nightmare). The PCF in the 1950s was strongly stalinist, distrustful of intellectuals and very working-class in ideology. I dont take that to be a negative statement about the PCF. It would have been of course better if the question had been asked on that page. I would also point out that be bold is not a blank check to make false accusations of vandalism or to avoid discussion of issues. If you question the truth or legitimacy, especially of something written recently, you should at least ask for sources rather than just delete it on sight.
That's called vandalism at worse, at best POV edit (i.e. not objective). When you see this kind of things, you are advised to be bold in deleting it. If it has no source and you question its truth or legitimity, you can (and should) delete it on sight, leaving an appropriate comment in the edit-box. Lapaz 23:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Cheers! Lapaz 23:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "second largest party after the UMP"??
are you sure about that? PCF was the largest left party before 1981 but nowadays the largest parties are UMP (right) and PSF (socialist), even though PCF's systematical radical opposition view is over exposed by local (and pro-left) medias the party's membership is minoritary and probably the third political force rather than second. Shame On You 12:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The PS certainly has more deputies in the Assembly. In terms of party membership, I imagine we should try to find actual numbers - I'd also have guessed that the PS has more members, at this point, given that the PCF is at this point regularly winning an enormous 3.5% of the vote. And what about the UDF? john k 17:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- The PCF was the second largest Party after the UMP at the beginning of the year (the PCF had ~130.000 members and the PS ~110.000). The PS started at the end of 2005 a massive recruitment campaign (lowering membership fees to 20 euros a year and using the fact that only members of the PS could vote who would be the socialist candidate in the Presidential election in 2007). The PS says it now has 200.000 members (wherehas the UMP claims 300.000). The PCF has 134.000, which makes it the third largest party.
- The UDF claims about 15.000 members, the Greens a little less than 10.000.
- As for the voting part, it does not « regularly » win 3.5% of the vote — it got 3.37% the French presidential election. In June 2002, it got 5%, and it got quite a lot more in 2004 (more than 10% in Nord and Picardie, 7.2% in Île-de-France and 9,2% in Auvergne). And the membership figures have been climbing steadily since 2003. ManuelMenal 03:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. It is interesting that they have historically had a higher membership figure than the PS, which generally gets many more votes than they do. But I suppose that Communist Parties have always been particularly membership based. john k 04:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah. The PCF is supposed to be a "mass" party and has a very strong local implantation, whereas the PS is what we call « un parti d'électeurs », meaning a "vote-based party". Also note that the PS is only 30 years old (although the SFIO is much older — but was almost dead when the PS was created), whereas the PCF is eighty-six years old — makes quite a difference, because there is quite a number of PCF members that have been there for thirty to fifty years (the PCF calls them "veterans"), whereas there is not many of them in the PS. Manuel Menal 06:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. It is interesting that they have historically had a higher membership figure than the PS, which generally gets many more votes than they do. But I suppose that Communist Parties have always been particularly membership based. john k 04:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Young Communists
I'm looking for an article on the JCF or MJCF, the French Young Communist League. There is a dead link to it in the article on Maurice Kriegel-Valrimont, a PCF resistance activist. Is there such an article? If not, I'm sure there should be. Itsmejudith 20:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Former PCF voters = New Le Pen voters ?
I have suppressed sentences who said the PCF suffered from the rise of FN. This is a journalistic analysis which is not scientificly proved. It is based on the importance of the FN vote among the workers. But the specialists of the French workers vote contested it (Michelat et Simon, Les ouvriers et la politique). For they, the workers who vote Le Pen came from the Gaullism and the classical right, which represented 1/3 of the workers vote. The former Communist voters who vote Le Pen today are very minoritary in the FN elctorate and, before to vote Le Pen, they have voted for another party (often socialist) or they abstained. The first decline of the PCF (1978-1988) have drained voters towards the Socialist Party and abstention. During this years, the PCF lost 14 points and the PS won 12 points. The second decline (since 1997) have drained voters towards abstention and Far Left (LO, LCR...). Michelat et Simon are not communists. N.a french 17:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pole of Communist Rebirth in France
I wikified the above article, but it still needs attention and if anyone here had a minute to check it out they might be able to move it forward a bit. Thanks in advance. Itsmejudith 21:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] anti-Hitler
During the war anti-Hitlerite was the Stalinist shorthand for the Nazis not anti-facsist. This came later. The business of the party of the 75,000 was an ironic joke as around 40000 French people in total (excepting Jews) were murdered or otherwise by the Occupiers. JimBakken —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.15.149 (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
