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Contents 1 Ashnerd 2 Marth 3 Super Mario RPG lists 4 Your opinion on FE sites 5 GA 6 Fire Emblem DS 7 Someone has been busy 8 Hey There! 9 Reply: Ike's own page 10 Check it Out 11 The Minish Cap 12 WikiProject Nintendo Page Redesign 13 Marketing for Halo 3 14 List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 15 SH4 FAC 16 Magazine request 17 Mario 64 Magazine request 18 Comment 19 Hello Ashnard 20 Super Smash Bros. Melee as a GAC 21 Flood (Halo) FAC 22 Quote needed for SSBM - might this work? 23 REf after punctuation 24 Regarding tournament section on SSBM 25 CE 26 Please Stop removing information 27 Just a couple comments and questions 28 Re: Copyedit 29 A few questions about formatting. 30 The SSBM Discussion 31 re:Thanks 32 Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow FAC 33 Link's Awakening FAC 34 Spelling correction 35 Thank You For Joining the Smash Bros. Task Force? 36 Marth and Roy 37 Image:MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSagaGBABattle.jpg 38 FE Query 39 WikiForce SmashBros has it's second GA!

[edit] Ashnerd

I think he deserves his own wiki —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.5.147 (talk) 00:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marth

I'll try and work on something, later (I'm currently a little busy). Unfortunately, as of yet, I can't seem to find any written sources that discuss his personality. As for his appearance, do you mean what he looks like? There's his artwork(s), such as the FETCG one, if you want to give that a go. I'm actually not good at describing what people/characters look like. Aveyn Knight 19:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario RPG lists

Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.

1. Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
2. Rename the articles by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
3. Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
4. Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
5. Write the concept and creation section for the main article

TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 00:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ashnard, want to solve the above thing? I'd be willing to work on it tomorrow (GMT), but doing stuff like this alone is bad for sanity. User:Krator (t c) 00:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your opinion on FE sites

Hey, there was always something bothering me, and I thought you were the most neutral and sensible person to ask (that and you're at least familiar to me). Basically, what are your thoughts on replacing the English Fire Emblem Documentary (EFED) link, at the main Fire Emblem series page, with (you can probably guess) Serenes Forest (my site). This is just a thought of mine.

Now, I would be lying if I didn't say it was partly for my own good. However, I am pretty sure now that my site has more content than EFED (or, at least, equal). So content-wise, I don't see any reason why my site shouldn't be listed in its place. After all, originally it was agreed to keep the fansite with the most content. In the past, EFED was vastly superior, but lately their updates have slowed down and I have been able to catch up and surpass them (which is kind of ironic, since I made my site first, and Eaichu- the webmaster- made his site to compete with mine XD).

However, if there are any issues or comments about this replacement, I would like to hear them. Personally I don't think my site is ready just yet, due to my relatively bandwidth (however, there are some tricks that I can do to spread it out). Radiant Dawn, alone, gives a sizable amount of hits, and I worry that my site won't be able to take the traffic from the (more visited) main page (and when Radiant Dawn is released in America, it's probably going to explode...). Aveyn Knight 20:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. That was very helpful and removed a lot of my worry. I actually didn't know there was such a statement in the guidelines, about linking to your own site, but it's bordering on common sense I guess.

I will put this up for discussion at the Fire Emblem main page, once I'm ready, which should be in a couple of weeks time. I'm also hoping to fix up the aesthetics during that time, although that may be the hardest thing for me to tackle. Aveyn Knight 14:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA

I complained about that (the "broad coverage" aspect) too over on Big Rigs, but it was still denied. I've taken that to conclude that most of the articles I've worked on in User:Hbdragon88/contrib will never reach GA status just because it is impossible to find such source material. I say that seeing Fire Emblem article passing w/o development is a flaw on those reviewer's part, because SPP was downed for a lack of dev, so was Big Rigs. I do welcome wider input in the form of a WP:GAR if this standard (based on the prcedents I see) is correct, or whether the Fire Emblem precedent is correct. hbdragon88 06:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Emblem DS

A tag has been placed on Fire Emblem DS, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Improbcat 17:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Someone has been busy

Hi there! Oh, Fire Emblem DS! Nice, you've turned into such the master wikipedian. Just thought I'd say hey! Peregrine 20:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey There!

So, you're an avid Fire Emblem fan huh? Yup, I am too... especially of Path of Radiance! Would you like to help me create a huge Fire Emblem project? —Preceding unsigned comment added by FE411 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply: Ike's own page

Good point. As the SSB series continues, more and more FE characters will be added. As in, making a page for Ike, I'd have to make a page for every other FE character to make sense, which I am not doing! --[[User:[FE411]/Esperanza|E]] 18:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. Just haven't had the time yet. Working on mah user page + school... so... yup. --FE411 TALKY!

[edit] Check it Out

Redid my user page. It looks much better now! FE411, A Fire Emblem Freak! _Talk ^{Contributions} —Preceding comment was added at 00:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Haha, thanks. Although I didn't do the Status Bot template. That was the work of the amazing wiki artist BrokenSphere! FE411, A Fire Emblem Freak! _Talk ^{Contributions}, --21:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)~~

[edit] The Minish Cap

Sure, I'll help out. After I finished with OOS and OOA, this article was on my short list for my next Zelda article, but I've had trouble finding the time/motivation to work on it. My long term goal is to get a Zelda featured topic. I'm halfway there, with three FAs and four GAs out of fourteen articles. Pagrashtak 16:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I added a small paragraph. I'll try to expand it later, but there's not a whole lot available without some searching—it may take a bit. By the way, when you add references, instead of |work=[www.ign.com IGN], use |publisher=[[IGN]] and similar. Pagrashtak 17:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. When you switch from work to publisher, make sure you remove the external link also. The only external link in a reference should be the link to the source used. Pagrashtak 18:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

GA passed - Talk:The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap contains some suggestions. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 08:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks for the work, Ashnard; glad I could help out some. Have you ever thought about trying to take an article to FA? Pagrashtak 13:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'll try and fix the table up a bit myself. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 08:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Nintendo Page Redesign

A new page design is being considered for the WikiProject Nintendo page. A rough draft can be viewed here. Please add all comments and thoughts to the discussion. From the automated, Anibot 22:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marketing for Halo 3

Updated the lead for Marketing for Halo 3. Let me know what you think. Should be comprehensive and summarizing at the same time - best I could do in 45 minutes. JAF1970 18:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

As you're probably still wanting to get that article up to FA, a comment at its last FLC was directed to the in universe style of the prose. Take a look at Characters of Kingdom Hearts for an excellent example of out of universe prose. This is not connected to the actual sources or information - just the style the prose is written in. User:Krator (t c) 01:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SH4 FAC

I saw your comment on the FAC for Silent Hill 4: The Room and appreciate your help. Do you happen to have any other comments on the matter? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 16:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magazine request

Hey could you possibly get me the lookback from the May 2006 Nintendo Magazine?--CM (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have a scanner you could scan it and send it to me via email, but typing might be better so I can easily read the article. Whatever you think is best; I've never done this one before either.--CM (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the article. Sorry for the late reply, but I just got swamped with school. I'll integrate it as soon as I can.--CM (talk) 02:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh is the title "What do you mean, you've never played... *Name of game*" or "What do you mean, you've never played...1080° Snowboarding"?--CM (talk) 02:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mario 64 Magazine request

Hello, I was browsing through the VG Magazine page and was hoping I could request #15 July 2006 of Official Nintendo Magazine for the Super Mario 64 article. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC))

Thank you very much, this will definitely help out. I was wondering if you could also provide the article title and page number(s) as well for the citation. Much obliged. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 19:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Comment

The image requests for Fire Emblem DS, do NO harm to be there this early, so why are you making such a big deal about it? Just leave them on, and stop worrying that it's a problem, when it's not. RobJ1981 19:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello Ashnard

I am newly registered on Wikipedia although I have worked as an anon for some time. Just out of curiosity how does one change the rating (so to speak) of an article? I want to remove the notice from the Cutler Beckett page saying it's a start-class article. Illustrious One _{(^{Recieve my Majesty})} —Preceding comment was added at 17:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by strangely familiar but I noticed you advise that anon on the Cutler Beckett page to change the template saying it was a stub so I thought I'd ask you. I didn't read the instructions on my page for editing, I have a very short attention span you know. I wanted to remove the template saying it was a start-class article on the grounds that it didn't describe the character from an in-universe perspective in my opinion although I've taken another look at the page and it does a bit now. Illustrious One

[edit] Super Smash Bros. Melee as a GAC

I'm not surprised. If Warhawk (PlayStation 3 game) can get passed as a GA recently, why shouldn't a better article (but still GA-failing) article such as this one get pushed as a GA? The history of both articles' push to GA is the same, a user keep nominating it up despite previous failures until someone or a fan of the game takes pity and passes the game as a GA. To discourage such behaviour, Warhawk along with other GA-ranked game guides should be first challenged as a GA and delisted, otherwise they will only encourage other editors into pushing game guides as GAs, and people who aren't aware of game article guidelines constantly passing them as GAs. 220.255.4.136 (talk) 22:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The nom. has been removed per your request. I apologize if I was too forthright with my nomination of the article. It was an attempt at getting more eyes to look at the article, outside of peer review.

It has been put up for peer reivew. See Wikipedia:Peer review/Super Smash Bros. Melee. --Son (talk) 06:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flood (Halo) FAC

The changes you specified were made. David Fuchs ^(talk) 01:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quote needed for SSBM - might this work?

Hello Ashnard, I notice you're busy trying to get the article to FA status. When correcting what looked like a speeling error I noticed that there's a blanked-out section about Snake not being added due to lack of time. It stuck because that very statement seemed very familiar. Er, shoot me if it's not what's needed but this Kotaku interview is already referenced in the Smash Brothers Brawl article and seems to cover that statement in SSBM (or an edited version of it). Best of luck with the FA. Someone another (talk) 04:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] REf after punctuation

I think you may have misread the MoS at WP:Citing sources#Where to place ref tags

Some words, phrases or facts must be referenced mid-sentence, while others are referenced at the end. Frequently, a reference tag will coincide with punctuation and many editors put the reference tags after punctuation (except dashes), as is recommended by the Chicago Manual of Style (CMoS).[1] Some editors prefer the style of journals such as Nature which place references before punctuation. If an article has evolved using predominantly one style of ref tag placement, the whole article should conform to that style unless there is a consensus for changing it.

--JimWae (talk) 01:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding tournament section on SSBM

Hi, sorry im an IP editor at the moment because I have retire from editing wikipedia if you want to see my user name thats fine its User:valoem I have a history with this article dating back to 2006 ive been through this discuss 3 times already and the former version is the accepted version. Ken Hoang is notable because it depicts the best player in ssbm which is certainly relavent to the tournament legacy. Trust me the article was much slopier at one point. Also I did not accuse you of vandalism, just that whoever removes information here on is technically vandalizing since this section is the accepted version. 63.76.234.250 (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CE

I don't have many contacts left in the copyediting world, but I do remember a guy that helped me with Empires:DotMW what seems like ages ago. I don't know if you have asked him already, but TKD may be accepting copyediting requests again. It might be worth a shot; prose is a tricky thing. CM (talk) 20:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I've contacted TKD now. Thanks, Clyde. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 10:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please Stop removing information

Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Super Smash Bros. Melee, without discussion on talk page. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox for test edits. Thank you. 63.76.234.250 (talk) 16:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Ashnard is discussing on the talk page, however, and had been doing so before this message was placed. This is an inappropriate use of the uw-delete2 template as far as I am concerned. Pagrashtak 16:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Stirked the warning. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I must admit, it is about the most infuriating and ingenious tactic to use on an established editor. Due to its connotation, I don't think there's anything more condescending than a content removal warning. I'm not condoning it, I'm just marveling at the idea.--CM (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The irony is just too much, isn't it? Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 18:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything particularly ingenious about it. When someone templates a regular, especially when it's blatantly unwarranted, it just makes the template poster appear petty or ill-informed. Pagrashtak 18:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I remember the glory days of wikipedia when you could find useful information on anything you wanted, especially obscure things. Gotta love how quickly its going down the drain these day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.8.244 (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just a couple comments and questions

Er, I'm new to contributing to the Wiki. I too am an avid Fire Emblem fan, though I've completed FE1 (in japanese, had no idea what was going on) and am working on a fan-translated FE6. I would like to contribute to the WikiProject Nintendo, and have added myself to their member list, but am clueless on how to add their box to my userpage. Also, I would like to thank you for telling me exactly what is acceptable on which articles and what isn't. Can you please assist me in figuring out how to best contribute and as to how to get that pretty little box for the project on my userpage. Thank you!
FlamingZelda (talk) 10:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
PS: You can delete this section once you read it.

[edit] Re: Copyedit

Sorry for the slow response; I've been busy this week. I'll try to look at the article this weekend. — TKD::Talk 19:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A few questions about formatting.

What are the Wiki tags for making a contents box? And also, how do I get an image with its caption to float to the right or left of a paragraph using Wiki tags and not HTML tags? Thanks in advance! FlamingZelda (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The SSBM Discussion

Hey, I just wanted to say hang in there man. Man, I know exactly how you feel: you try to explain to someone why their edits were reverted and incorrect and they end up taking it personally when that isn't the case at all and then a simple matter has blown up into practically a national catastrophe. I just wanted to say I know how you feel and I hope this matter is resolved and both parties can walk away satisfied. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 17:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome, man. At least in this case you're dealing with someone civilized. Heh, if you really want to feel better, look at it like this: the individuals I got into a discussion with assaulted me with loads of sockpuppets, edit wars, and personal attacks. ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 19:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re:Thanks

Thanks, and good luck on yours. Never lose hope; after all, it took me three to pass this one. Ever seen Talk:Charizard? Take a look at the number of FACs; that's determination, even if it didn't work.--CM (talk) 00:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow FAC

A bit late for a notice, but I feel I've addressed your concerns at the article's nomination. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 08:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Link's Awakening FAC

I think I've addressed your concerns. Thanks for taking the time to review! David Fuchs ^(talk) 00:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling correction

Thanks, I can't believe I never noticed that... ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 05:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 15:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You For Joining the Smash Bros. Task Force?

Hey there Ashnard. I am just posting to ask, have you joined the task force? I ask because you have not signed on the list of members.My apologies for wasting your time if you were not planning to join (crosses fingers and hopes that he joins).--Smashbrosboy (talk) 04:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marth and Roy

I'm thinking it's probably about time to merge those two. Marth has a smidge of information, but that can be covered within a list entry. Roy has a good target page, but where would Marth go? Do you have any specific thoughts on it? TTN (talk) 01:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, the tags are up. TTN (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's probably enough time. Though, you'll have to do it at this point. There is a bizarre and pointless injunction by the arbitration committee that nothing related to fiction can be merged/brought back or deleted/undeleted. Seeing as it's mainly for the parties of the case, I'm sure you'd be fine. TTN (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

On the topic of merging, does Fire Emblem (anime) need an article? It could easily fit within the series article or the game that it is based off of. TTN (talk) 20:26, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSagaGBABattle.jpg

As nominator of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, would you mind adding a fair use rationale for Image:MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSagaGBABattle.jpg? All images in good articles need to have proper fair user rationales and copyright information. In theory, the article shouldn't have been rated as a good article, but I'm guessing the person who passed the article didn't realize this. Would you mind doing that so I (or someone else) doesn't move it back down to B-class status? Thanks, Metros (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FE Query

I haven't had much time to check other sources, but the registered trademark lists it as "...Hikari no Ken" only. Sword of Seals and Blazing Sword are registered with both tsurugi and ken forms. Aveyn Knight (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a permanent source, but I'll try to look for one later. If you just want to confirm it, just input "暗黒竜と光の剣" into this search. If you navigate properly, you should end up with a split-framed page and you should see the text "【称呼】 アンコクリュートヒカリノケン". If you copy and paste "アンコクリュートヒカリノケン" into a decent Japanese to Romaji convertor, it should say it's "ankoku ryuu to hikari no ken". Aveyn Knight (talk) 00:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiForce SmashBros has it's second GA!

Super Smash Bros. is our second GA.--Smashbrosboy (talk) 00:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)