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[edit] How it is possible?
The article says that
- "With the influence of Ved mantra four Kshtriyas will be born"
This is mythical and impossible to creat human by the influence of Mantras. It should be re-written with historical perspective with feasible theory of origin of Agnivanshi kshatriyas.
My view is that these people were worshippers of 'fire' and later included in 'kshtriyas' hence known as agnivanshi. burdak 09:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes it is not possible.But the Bhavishya Purana says so.It must be understood from this version of Bhavishya Purana that at the time of Ashoka's sons, a yajna was held at Mount Abu.Four persons either reconverted into Hinduism from Buddhism or they were purified with Agni ceremonials as we do now.Agni is essence of Hinduism.No Yajna, marriage, Hom, and creamation is possible without it.But it can not be possible to tell who were the four persons that participated in this Hom or Yajna.They might be Jats also.Or they might be Scythians or Ex Kshatriyas who lost their identity as Kshtriya.Or it might also be possible that they were Kshatriya but the Yajna was to revitalize them.Can you suggest with proofs that who were the four persons?
--Shivbramh 10:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I have got one recently published book-"Vindhya kshetra ke Pratihar Vansh ka Itihas" by Dr Anupam Singh (2006-07), that writes on page 26 that "During those days most of the kshatriyas and vaishyas had adopted Buddhism leaving their clans. The rishis later attempted to bring them back in to sanatam dharma, the four kshatriyas clans, in yagya before agni so they started calling themselves agnivanshi." Similar view is given by Munshi Dev Prasad in his book -Parihar vansh ka prakash, page 52. We can Add accordingly to the text. --burdak 17:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear Shri Burdak, I feel now you are near the truth.At the time of Buddha Ajatshatru was king of Magadh.The religion of Buddha spred in India and out of it.Buddha was perticulerly not very happy with Bramhnical rituals.He also opposed castism.After his religion spread,Non Kshatriya dynasties came to rule Magadha.Nanda Dynasty was famous for disregarding Bramhins and Kshtriyas.Chanakya by his wisdom or diplomacy removed their rule and a new dynasty Maurya came into existence.But king Ashoka of the dynasty also became Buddhist.His sons ruled around fifty years after him.Again a Bramhin general Pusyamitra Sunga murdered the Maurya king.This is historical fact. The Bramhins were not happy with Buddhism.Because it was challenging them most.It was upto the extent that they were made second in order of Varna.All Buddhist and Jain granths mention Brahmins after Kshatriyas.Some of them even go farther. It was considered by Brahmins to revitalize Sanatan Dharma.They did it.The version of Bhavishya Purana confirms it.I agree that it did not tell any Bhavishya (Future),but tells the story of some events took place.The version emphsize importance of Brahmin rituals.You must understand Pusyamitra and his son Agnimitra were staunch Brahmins.The name Agnimitra itself shows importance of Agni among Hindus.The name Pusya is also associated with a star which provides "Rajyoga" in Hindu Mythology.I feel,the Yajna at Mount Abu was performed during the time of last Maurya emperor,but under influence and active participation of either Pusyamitra Sunga or his son Agnimitra.The time, the venue,the name, and the circumstances support my view.
--Shivbramh 17:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References needed
Dear Shri Rajawat, It is mentioned in legend about four kshatriyas Pratiharas (Pariharas), Chauhans (Chahamanas), Solankis (Chaulukyas), and Paramaras (Parmars). But there seems no basis of Naru Rajputs (Naru means Fire) and Ghosh as mentioned in the article as agnivanshi. The theme is alright to revive sanatan dharma. As you said Yajna at Mount Abu was performed during the time of last Maurya emperor, The period mentioned is not correct and has no basis. Had it been during or after Mauryan rule it would have found mention in the records of Gupta dynasty, who were the supporters of Brahmanic vedic religion. The guptas do not write about these clans. It is also needed to find who were the clans included in each of the agnivanshi kshatriya. The text referred from Bhavishya purana seems to be from latter edited version. To make the article authentic it is needed to support with references. Problem is that we completely forget the nagavanshi rulers in India. Most of the clans included in kshatriya clans are from nagavanshi rulers. Proper history will be written on the basis of historical records seen in totality.
Thanks and Regards,
